1 00:00:31,030 --> 00:00:12,910 [Music] 2 00:00:35,030 --> 00:00:31,040 yeah 3 00:00:38,090 --> 00:00:35,040 welcome back to calling all beings we 4 00:00:41,450 --> 00:00:38,100 are back I miss my brother and sister 5 00:00:44,630 --> 00:00:41,460 Nathan and Debs since I saw him in NYC 6 00:00:48,170 --> 00:00:44,640 and we're back with a genuine gentleman 7 00:00:50,090 --> 00:00:48,180 an academian a brilliant individual kind 8 00:00:52,490 --> 00:00:50,100 of like Nathan kind of like Debs not 9 00:00:54,770 --> 00:00:52,500 very much like me but man we are super 10 00:00:57,229 --> 00:00:54,780 excited but before we get into all that 11 00:00:59,990 --> 00:00:57,239 business with him let's say hello to the 12 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:00,000 co-conspirator of this joint money 13 00:01:03,950 --> 00:01:02,280 Nathan hey what's going on y'all it's 14 00:01:05,690 --> 00:01:03,960 gonna be back in the saddle I really 15 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:05,700 enjoyed seeing you guys in New York as 16 00:01:09,410 --> 00:01:07,860 you mentioned uh it's great to be on 17 00:01:11,330 --> 00:01:09,420 tonight with Ben really excited to talk 18 00:01:12,770 --> 00:01:11,340 to him and uh excited to see the 19 00:01:14,030 --> 00:01:12,780 questions that we'll see in the chat so 20 00:01:15,109 --> 00:01:14,040 thanks everybody for joining the chat 21 00:01:17,690 --> 00:01:15,119 this evening 22 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:17,700 can I get an amen and we have our 23 00:01:22,850 --> 00:01:20,340 researcher with us uh the the smart 24 00:01:25,550 --> 00:01:22,860 person Keeps Us grounded Keeps Us in the 25 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:25,560 right space and that is Deb a study of 26 00:01:30,890 --> 00:01:29,040 uaps the host of Debs data Dojo who I'm 27 00:01:33,950 --> 00:01:30,900 going to be on with tomorrow night with 28 00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:33,960 Leah Prime how are you Debs I'm excited 29 00:01:39,649 --> 00:01:37,680 to be here I uh wish that I had 30 00:01:41,210 --> 00:01:39,659 something really clever to say but I 31 00:01:43,069 --> 00:01:41,220 feel like today is about being smart 32 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:43,079 because we're talking to Ben 33 00:01:46,730 --> 00:01:45,240 what was cool you told patients that 34 00:01:48,289 --> 00:01:46,740 they couldn't come and get therapy today 35 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:48,299 so you could talk to Ben there's nothing 36 00:01:52,810 --> 00:01:50,220 to be embarrassed about that it's okay 37 00:01:55,749 --> 00:01:52,820 that's not what happened 38 00:01:58,969 --> 00:01:55,759 they canceled on me 39 00:02:01,370 --> 00:01:58,979 it's all good man it's all good Debs the 40 00:02:03,830 --> 00:02:01,380 secret is safe with uh with us with UFO 41 00:02:05,690 --> 00:02:03,840 Twitter uh but I'm kidding I'm kidding 42 00:02:07,969 --> 00:02:05,700 Deb would never do that 43 00:02:11,690 --> 00:02:07,979 um so yeah we're about to get into it 44 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:11,700 with this man right here he is uh the 45 00:02:16,729 --> 00:02:14,160 host of The Discovery Channel's UFO 46 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:16,739 witness he's uh also has shows on the 47 00:02:22,270 --> 00:02:19,020 Travel Channel he's a pilot he's a 48 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:22,280 marksman Surfer Hooper rock climber 49 00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:25,500 Disaster Response volunteer and he's 50 00:02:33,770 --> 00:02:29,360 also a former special agent with the FB 51 00:02:35,630 --> 00:02:33,780 ah come to praise His name yeah and 52 00:02:37,970 --> 00:02:35,640 don't mess with this man because if you 53 00:02:40,369 --> 00:02:37,980 do he'll have a set of flex cuffs on you 54 00:02:43,550 --> 00:02:40,379 faster and you can say Donnie Brasco 55 00:02:48,110 --> 00:02:43,560 it's a party people put your hands it's 56 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:48,120 together for Discovery Channels on Ben 57 00:02:53,570 --> 00:02:49,510 Hansen 58 00:02:57,830 --> 00:02:56,089 thank you thank you that's got to be one 59 00:03:00,110 --> 00:02:57,840 of the most energetic introductions I've 60 00:03:02,110 --> 00:03:00,120 had in a while uh not whatever you got 61 00:03:04,430 --> 00:03:02,120 on your Cheerios 62 00:03:05,650 --> 00:03:04,440 hey brother this is just this is this is 63 00:03:10,009 --> 00:03:05,660 just me man 64 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:14,089 welcome Ben uh it's it's an honor and a 65 00:03:18,589 --> 00:03:15,780 pleasure to have you 66 00:03:20,750 --> 00:03:18,599 um you're so accomplished that it's I 67 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:20,760 you know it's almost staggering reading 68 00:03:25,670 --> 00:03:22,980 your your list of accomplishments and 69 00:03:28,910 --> 00:03:25,680 and your endeavors that you get into and 70 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:28,920 and as somebody who aspires to be uh you 71 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:30,720 know diverse in the types of things I do 72 00:03:35,330 --> 00:03:33,120 it's it's actually pretty inspiring well 73 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:35,340 thank you I appreciate that yeah uh the 74 00:03:40,729 --> 00:03:37,560 verse is probably the best descriptor I 75 00:03:43,490 --> 00:03:40,739 I have my my feet in too many things 76 00:03:45,530 --> 00:03:43,500 too many it's hard to keep up with uh 77 00:03:48,050 --> 00:03:45,540 all the different worlds but but I enjoy 78 00:03:50,449 --> 00:03:48,060 it I guess it's kind of how I roll 79 00:03:52,970 --> 00:03:50,459 you know what else um is really 80 00:03:55,729 --> 00:03:52,980 interesting uh oh Ben is frozen or am I 81 00:03:58,369 --> 00:03:55,739 Frozen I think he is frozen he is Frozen 82 00:04:01,070 --> 00:03:58,379 Okay Deb we all good 83 00:04:03,830 --> 00:04:01,080 okay yeah 84 00:04:05,390 --> 00:04:03,840 I I I'm moving you guys he's moving he's 85 00:04:06,250 --> 00:04:05,400 he's moving all right he's back he's 86 00:04:08,630 --> 00:04:06,260 back 87 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:08,640 okay yes there he is okay A little 88 00:04:11,570 --> 00:04:10,560 pixelation 89 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:11,580 um 90 00:04:16,610 --> 00:04:14,220 Ben the way it seems like it's shaping 91 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:16,620 up right now and something that I find 92 00:04:23,570 --> 00:04:18,959 interesting is you're sort of become the 93 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:23,580 voice of commercial pilots to sort of 94 00:04:29,330 --> 00:04:26,280 get their story off of just you know FAA 95 00:04:31,969 --> 00:04:29,340 tape reels and atc's reels and get them 96 00:04:33,710 --> 00:04:31,979 out to the public so that people can 97 00:04:35,270 --> 00:04:33,720 digest 98 00:04:37,550 --> 00:04:35,280 um what they're seeing from the 99 00:04:39,350 --> 00:04:37,560 perspective of a subject matter expert 100 00:04:40,969 --> 00:04:39,360 is that a role that you just sort of 101 00:04:42,590 --> 00:04:40,979 fell into 102 00:04:44,689 --> 00:04:42,600 um is it something that you relish how 103 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:44,699 do you see yourself right now in terms 104 00:04:49,909 --> 00:04:47,280 of uh aggregating these these sightings 105 00:04:52,129 --> 00:04:49,919 and information yeah yeah it is 106 00:04:55,189 --> 00:04:52,139 um I just sort of fell into it like you 107 00:04:58,070 --> 00:04:55,199 had mentioned I am a pilot I'm just yeah 108 00:04:59,870 --> 00:04:58,080 well if I buckle down I could I could 109 00:05:02,930 --> 00:04:59,880 finish up my commercial license you know 110 00:05:05,150 --> 00:05:02,940 in in just a couple of months here but 111 00:05:07,129 --> 00:05:05,160 um I've been reporting on pilot stuff 112 00:05:09,650 --> 00:05:07,139 ever since about August kind of almost 113 00:05:11,629 --> 00:05:09,660 exclusively and 114 00:05:14,210 --> 00:05:11,639 um these guys it's really cool because 115 00:05:17,570 --> 00:05:14,220 it is sort of a tight Community right 116 00:05:18,189 --> 00:05:17,580 and they talk to each other a lot they 117 00:05:20,510 --> 00:05:18,199 um 118 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:20,520 a lot of people like kind of think you 119 00:05:24,529 --> 00:05:22,860 know behind that cockpit door you know 120 00:05:26,810 --> 00:05:24,539 they're they're all serious and they're 121 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:26,820 all this and that and 122 00:05:31,310 --> 00:05:29,039 um if when they see stuff though they 123 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:31,320 they they geek out like everybody else 124 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:32,820 and they can't believe what they're 125 00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:36,000 seeing and they need to be trusted 126 00:05:40,850 --> 00:05:37,380 though because they deal with with 127 00:05:42,770 --> 00:05:40,860 things like um if they report one guy 128 00:05:44,749 --> 00:05:42,780 explained it he's like you know if I 129 00:05:47,090 --> 00:05:44,759 came out yesterday and said that I saw 130 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:47,100 the the coolest satellite last night and 131 00:05:52,129 --> 00:05:49,680 I videoed it and I go out and and put on 132 00:05:54,170 --> 00:05:52,139 social media the airlines wouldn't say 133 00:05:56,210 --> 00:05:54,180 anything about it he's like but if I 134 00:05:58,610 --> 00:05:56,220 come out and say that I filmed or saw a 135 00:06:01,670 --> 00:05:58,620 UFO all of a sudden a lot of these 136 00:06:04,129 --> 00:06:01,680 Airlines jump on them and they threaten 137 00:06:06,050 --> 00:06:04,139 them with discipline with you know 138 00:06:08,810 --> 00:06:06,060 possibly termination 139 00:06:10,969 --> 00:06:08,820 and and so they face a lot of of risk 140 00:06:13,310 --> 00:06:10,979 coming out sometimes to talk about this 141 00:06:14,450 --> 00:06:13,320 and so they want to tell someone but 142 00:06:16,430 --> 00:06:14,460 they don't know where to go and that's 143 00:06:19,430 --> 00:06:16,440 kind of how I fell into it because I 144 00:06:21,710 --> 00:06:19,440 think I've gained that trust and and I 145 00:06:23,029 --> 00:06:21,720 can talk the talk you know and I'm you 146 00:06:25,370 --> 00:06:23,039 know I know the technical stuff they're 147 00:06:27,770 --> 00:06:25,380 dealing with and it's been really cool 148 00:06:29,450 --> 00:06:27,780 it's been really cool to to be kind of a 149 00:06:33,409 --> 00:06:29,460 voice for them and especially Ryan 150 00:06:37,550 --> 00:06:33,419 Graves Ryan Graves right that is is out 151 00:06:40,309 --> 00:06:37,560 there F-18 pilot saw things himself 152 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:40,319 and he noticed first you know well 153 00:06:43,850 --> 00:06:41,880 before anyone else did that there needs 154 00:06:45,409 --> 00:06:43,860 to be major changes so he's working on 155 00:06:48,050 --> 00:06:45,419 the military side 156 00:06:49,969 --> 00:06:48,060 and and being a voice for them and for 157 00:06:51,590 --> 00:06:49,979 commercial pilots and now we've kind of 158 00:06:53,629 --> 00:06:51,600 joined together and we're working on 159 00:06:56,210 --> 00:06:53,639 some things 160 00:06:58,430 --> 00:06:56,220 that is uh that's really cool that that 161 00:07:01,730 --> 00:06:58,440 kind of collaboration even Chris Ledo 162 00:07:04,010 --> 00:07:01,740 tried to get uh and he's a friend of 163 00:07:06,110 --> 00:07:04,020 ours you know fellow Aviator he tried to 164 00:07:09,469 --> 00:07:06,120 get Ryan Graves on and so if you're the 165 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:09,479 person that can bring his voice to I 166 00:07:12,170 --> 00:07:10,800 shouldn't say to a wider audience 167 00:07:16,010 --> 00:07:12,180 because a lot of people have heard him 168 00:07:18,290 --> 00:07:16,020 but a more consistent voice uh in the in 169 00:07:20,330 --> 00:07:18,300 in the disclosure I didn't even say it 170 00:07:22,370 --> 00:07:20,340 it's disclosure basically in from an 171 00:07:24,890 --> 00:07:22,380 informational perspective you know 172 00:07:27,589 --> 00:07:24,900 because uh he lends a lot of credibility 173 00:07:30,050 --> 00:07:27,599 and if he's more present that means more 174 00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:30,060 credibility for what people are seeing 175 00:07:35,029 --> 00:07:33,360 that frankly people don't uh don't uh 176 00:07:36,529 --> 00:07:35,039 know what what it is what we're looking 177 00:07:39,050 --> 00:07:36,539 at and that's what absolutely 178 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:39,060 delinquently uh did in your last video 179 00:07:42,050 --> 00:07:40,560 so 180 00:07:44,089 --> 00:07:42,060 um let me turn you over to money Nathan 181 00:07:45,589 --> 00:07:44,099 yeah Ben great to have you with us this 182 00:07:47,510 --> 00:07:45,599 evening and I know we don't have a ton 183 00:07:49,550 --> 00:07:47,520 of time so I wanted to if you could jump 184 00:07:51,650 --> 00:07:49,560 to talking a little bit about and you've 185 00:07:53,270 --> 00:07:51,660 got a security background you've got a 186 00:07:54,529 --> 00:07:53,280 background that's also academic and you 187 00:07:58,309 --> 00:07:54,539 thought about some of the psychological 188 00:07:59,870 --> 00:07:58,319 impacts of uh these kinds of events uh 189 00:08:02,150 --> 00:07:59,880 is there a certain aspect that really 190 00:08:04,610 --> 00:08:02,160 excites you more than the other uh and 191 00:08:06,710 --> 00:08:04,620 what do you think about in terms of DJ 192 00:08:09,230 --> 00:08:06,720 mentioned disclosure you know kind of 193 00:08:11,689 --> 00:08:09,240 whether or not the government should or 194 00:08:13,550 --> 00:08:11,699 shouldn't reveal exactly what it may or 195 00:08:14,809 --> 00:08:13,560 may not know from a just from a national 196 00:08:17,029 --> 00:08:14,819 security standpoint what are your 197 00:08:19,029 --> 00:08:17,039 thoughts on that yeah well it all 198 00:08:22,790 --> 00:08:19,039 interests me I mean 199 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:22,800 the UFO subject is is primarily you know 200 00:08:26,150 --> 00:08:24,180 my favorite thing I've done a lot of 201 00:08:28,070 --> 00:08:26,160 shows we we've even looked for mermaids 202 00:08:30,290 --> 00:08:28,080 you know in some of the shows I do and 203 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:30,300 and um the ghost hunting and all that 204 00:08:33,769 --> 00:08:32,159 UFOs are probably my favorite subject 205 00:08:37,490 --> 00:08:33,779 because I think it has the most 206 00:08:39,909 --> 00:08:37,500 potential for impact on society right 207 00:08:43,010 --> 00:08:39,919 um and it's it involves history three so 208 00:08:44,329 --> 00:08:43,020 I I can see having worked for the 209 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:44,339 government and understanding National 210 00:08:46,430 --> 00:08:45,660 Security I can see where they're coming 211 00:08:49,370 --> 00:08:46,440 from 212 00:08:51,829 --> 00:08:49,380 and when I did my thesis 213 00:08:53,570 --> 00:08:51,839 um recently on what I call reality 214 00:08:55,610 --> 00:08:53,580 compromising events 215 00:08:57,470 --> 00:08:55,620 I realized at some point towards the end 216 00:09:00,110 --> 00:08:57,480 of it I was writing a Playbook what I 217 00:09:02,930 --> 00:09:00,120 would do I was like wait a second it 218 00:09:05,269 --> 00:09:02,940 seems like some of this is happening and 219 00:09:06,829 --> 00:09:05,279 for example one of the things I think 220 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:06,839 that would be the safest way for 221 00:09:11,810 --> 00:09:08,220 disclosure is what we call the drip 222 00:09:13,610 --> 00:09:11,820 method right and you just slowly give a 223 00:09:15,490 --> 00:09:13,620 little bit of information let that sit 224 00:09:18,410 --> 00:09:15,500 there for a bit don't even mention 225 00:09:19,730 --> 00:09:18,420 anything else for another six months or 226 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:19,740 whatever put out a little bit more a 227 00:09:23,449 --> 00:09:21,240 little bit more 228 00:09:25,310 --> 00:09:23,459 if that's what's happening it kind of 229 00:09:27,110 --> 00:09:25,320 seems to fit the pattern and letting 230 00:09:28,370 --> 00:09:27,120 people climatize 231 00:09:31,970 --> 00:09:28,380 um because if you do the rip off the 232 00:09:34,550 --> 00:09:31,980 Band-Aid method that's where my research 233 00:09:36,829 --> 00:09:34,560 indicated it could be very very bad and 234 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:36,839 and not just because 235 00:09:40,190 --> 00:09:37,620 um 236 00:09:41,930 --> 00:09:40,200 uh whoever they are I mean they they 237 00:09:44,329 --> 00:09:41,940 could be a potential physical threat to 238 00:09:47,329 --> 00:09:44,339 us we have had nukes that have been shut 239 00:09:49,910 --> 00:09:47,339 down and airspace incursions near misses 240 00:09:53,090 --> 00:09:49,920 all those things that we talk about but 241 00:09:54,769 --> 00:09:53,100 even if they're not a threat people and 242 00:09:58,030 --> 00:09:54,779 the way that we react to things we saw a 243 00:10:01,310 --> 00:09:58,040 bit of this in covid is a big problem 244 00:10:04,490 --> 00:10:01,320 right it only takes a small percentage 245 00:10:08,990 --> 00:10:04,500 of of the population not a majority by 246 00:10:11,329 --> 00:10:09,000 far to overreact to engage in violence 247 00:10:13,430 --> 00:10:11,339 and crime to make them feel the world 248 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:13,440 make the world feel unsafe and that 249 00:10:17,690 --> 00:10:15,240 starts what we call cascading effects 250 00:10:20,449 --> 00:10:17,700 and then that trickles down very rapidly 251 00:10:21,949 --> 00:10:20,459 to bring the whole system down and 252 00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:21,959 before you know it you're back at your 253 00:10:26,990 --> 00:10:24,480 home on lockdown people can't work 254 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:27,000 factories don't produce 255 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:30,060 um food and and Necessities all those 256 00:10:35,810 --> 00:10:33,060 problems 10 100 times worse than what we 257 00:10:39,230 --> 00:10:35,820 saw in covid and and that's what worries 258 00:10:41,150 --> 00:10:39,240 me um is that we're so into connected as 259 00:10:42,949 --> 00:10:41,160 a society you're dealing with something 260 00:10:45,050 --> 00:10:42,959 that's a reality shift most of it might 261 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:45,060 be okay with most people 262 00:10:48,410 --> 00:10:47,279 but some are not going to handle it well 263 00:10:51,069 --> 00:10:48,420 and they're the ones that are going to 264 00:10:53,630 --> 00:10:51,079 cause problems 265 00:10:55,790 --> 00:10:53,640 and I would just ask you to just follow 266 00:10:58,069 --> 00:10:55,800 up so what is your what was your your 267 00:11:00,650 --> 00:10:58,079 thesis on how it should be done 268 00:11:02,690 --> 00:11:00,660 well I did offer some recommendations 269 00:11:06,769 --> 00:11:02,700 and um 270 00:11:09,530 --> 00:11:06,779 you know based on on like the the modern 271 00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:09,540 theories of panic and how people react 272 00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:12,720 to emergencies and disasters 273 00:11:17,569 --> 00:11:15,839 most people don't panic they don't they 274 00:11:19,190 --> 00:11:17,579 don't like trample each other getting 275 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:19,200 out of a theater that's on fire most 276 00:11:23,150 --> 00:11:20,640 people don't but the problem was those 277 00:11:25,190 --> 00:11:23,160 studies were based on physical threats 278 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:25,200 most of those were based on 279 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:27,420 um threats that were known and the 280 00:11:33,290 --> 00:11:29,640 problem with with ET scenarios have so 281 00:11:35,269 --> 00:11:33,300 many unknown it's called the the unknown 282 00:11:37,970 --> 00:11:35,279 unknowns we don't even know what we 283 00:11:39,889 --> 00:11:37,980 don't know right and so 284 00:11:42,829 --> 00:11:39,899 it's like when we're presented with this 285 00:11:44,690 --> 00:11:42,839 and you have the legitimacy of the state 286 00:11:47,329 --> 00:11:44,700 the government 287 00:11:49,009 --> 00:11:47,339 who now has to either tell us that they 288 00:11:51,470 --> 00:11:49,019 were lying all along 289 00:11:53,150 --> 00:11:51,480 and that they knew or number two they 290 00:11:55,009 --> 00:11:53,160 have to say we know as much as you do 291 00:11:56,449 --> 00:11:55,019 and we don't have any answers which is 292 00:11:59,150 --> 00:11:56,459 not comforting 293 00:12:03,590 --> 00:11:59,160 either way they lose legitimacy 294 00:12:06,350 --> 00:12:03,600 overnight right and so I think my 295 00:12:07,970 --> 00:12:06,360 recommendation really is that if they do 296 00:12:08,990 --> 00:12:07,980 know something they have to stay ahead 297 00:12:11,690 --> 00:12:09,000 of the news 298 00:12:13,790 --> 00:12:11,700 they've got to do their best to control 299 00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:13,800 and and really the drip method I think 300 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:15,120 would be best 301 00:12:19,970 --> 00:12:18,480 and stay ahead of The Narrative of the 302 00:12:22,009 --> 00:12:19,980 social media the media is going to try 303 00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:22,019 and put on this 304 00:12:25,430 --> 00:12:23,940 um and and third we need to build 305 00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:25,440 resiliency 306 00:12:30,170 --> 00:12:27,120 which how do you do that how do you make 307 00:12:33,110 --> 00:12:30,180 people more resilient to change when in 308 00:12:35,090 --> 00:12:33,120 a scenario like this do you do you show 309 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:35,100 them more E.T movies do you you know 310 00:12:38,990 --> 00:12:36,300 like 311 00:12:41,930 --> 00:12:39,000 you know prepare them for 312 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:41,940 uh you know little by little what these 313 00:12:45,470 --> 00:12:43,260 things might look like how we might 314 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:45,480 interact how Society is going to look I 315 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:48,480 don't think anyone really knows 316 00:12:53,810 --> 00:12:51,360 um and and so the the question is if 317 00:12:57,290 --> 00:12:53,820 they're secret Keepers if there truly is 318 00:12:59,030 --> 00:12:57,300 a group who's keeping this from us 319 00:13:01,670 --> 00:12:59,040 um they're not going to be able to do it 320 00:13:04,730 --> 00:13:01,680 forever and and it's going to be up to 321 00:13:07,250 --> 00:13:04,740 them the visitors whoever they are they 322 00:13:09,530 --> 00:13:07,260 could at any moment just turn the whole 323 00:13:11,389 --> 00:13:09,540 thing upside down and say we're doing it 324 00:13:13,550 --> 00:13:11,399 if it's up to us 325 00:13:15,050 --> 00:13:13,560 then we have more control and more time 326 00:13:16,190 --> 00:13:15,060 but eventually that dam is going to 327 00:13:18,769 --> 00:13:16,200 burst 328 00:13:21,470 --> 00:13:18,779 you know and um so that's what I worry 329 00:13:22,610 --> 00:13:21,480 about it's it's not really them as more 330 00:13:24,590 --> 00:13:22,620 as us 331 00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:24,600 and how we're going to react to it that 332 00:13:28,790 --> 00:13:26,399 seems to be the problem 333 00:13:31,670 --> 00:13:28,800 you know when Jim seman was sitting in 334 00:13:33,470 --> 00:13:31,680 your chair he said I think I mean he may 335 00:13:35,509 --> 00:13:33,480 be speaking from a lot more knowledge 336 00:13:37,069 --> 00:13:35,519 than what he led on but he said I think 337 00:13:38,990 --> 00:13:37,079 they know more than we know but they 338 00:13:40,490 --> 00:13:39,000 don't know it all and and how do they 339 00:13:42,410 --> 00:13:40,500 explain something they don't fully 340 00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:42,420 understand absolutely 341 00:13:46,370 --> 00:13:44,160 yeah with that I got to pass it over to 342 00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:46,380 Debs because I don't want her to shank 343 00:13:51,470 --> 00:13:49,560 me after the show I won't I won't I 344 00:13:56,750 --> 00:13:51,480 wouldn't do that but I was thinking that 345 00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:56,760 I do feel that um we do have evidence 346 00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:59,040 that the phenomenon itself is using the 347 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:01,680 slow drip method they've been doing it 348 00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:04,260 for at least 80 years but some would 349 00:14:08,930 --> 00:14:07,680 argue thousands right so there's that so 350 00:14:12,829 --> 00:14:08,940 the phenomenon really is already 351 00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:12,839 engaging in that sense uh Lou said Lou 352 00:14:16,190 --> 00:14:14,880 Alexander said they basically are waving 353 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:16,200 to us now 354 00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:19,260 but what I wanted to ask you was since 355 00:14:24,110 --> 00:14:23,160 you do have a lot of experience with 356 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:24,120 um you know 357 00:14:29,690 --> 00:14:27,360 behavior and you did some videos on body 358 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:29,700 language which were fascinating 359 00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:31,560 since you're going out and talking to 360 00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:35,040 some of these big names in UFOs for um 361 00:14:39,530 --> 00:14:36,800 some of the shows you're doing 362 00:14:40,970 --> 00:14:39,540 do you feel like your Spidey senses are 363 00:14:43,250 --> 00:14:40,980 going off a little bit when you're 364 00:14:45,889 --> 00:14:43,260 interacting with them or are you feeling 365 00:14:47,569 --> 00:14:45,899 like you're getting a better idea of 366 00:14:48,889 --> 00:14:47,579 what's going on because they're in front 367 00:14:50,750 --> 00:14:48,899 of you 368 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:50,760 um or you're reading something from them 369 00:14:54,889 --> 00:14:52,560 that we might not be catching because 370 00:14:58,370 --> 00:14:54,899 we're not there in front of them 371 00:15:01,430 --> 00:14:58,380 yeah I think definitely take for example 372 00:15:03,710 --> 00:15:01,440 the the Pascagoula case all right Calvin 373 00:15:05,470 --> 00:15:03,720 Parker and 374 00:15:08,030 --> 00:15:05,480 um it was 375 00:15:08,750 --> 00:15:08,040 1975 I think 376 00:15:12,650 --> 00:15:08,760 um 377 00:15:16,610 --> 00:15:12,660 and uh you know Pascagoula a couple guys 378 00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:16,620 you know finish work go fishing and when 379 00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:18,959 you hear the story it's very very odd 380 00:15:25,129 --> 00:15:21,839 like a sci-fi movie so if you only knew 381 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:25,139 that it's like it's total BS like these 382 00:15:29,210 --> 00:15:27,600 three you know like aliens are floating 383 00:15:30,889 --> 00:15:29,220 they don't see legs and they're like 384 00:15:32,810 --> 00:15:30,899 kind of look like robots and they grab 385 00:15:33,949 --> 00:15:32,820 them with clamp-like pinchers on their 386 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:33,959 arms and 387 00:15:39,410 --> 00:15:36,000 but I'll tell you what like when you 388 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:39,420 meet you know Calvin Parker in person 389 00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:43,320 and talk to him he's so just down to 390 00:15:47,629 --> 00:15:45,420 earth and humble and you can see this 391 00:15:49,490 --> 00:15:47,639 guy has nothing to gain you know by 392 00:15:53,150 --> 00:15:49,500 coming out telling this very consistent 393 00:15:55,129 --> 00:15:53,160 story for all these years so yeah I 394 00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:55,139 think there are things you can't really 395 00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:57,000 put um 396 00:16:01,069 --> 00:15:59,279 um I guess a measuring stick too to say 397 00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:01,079 this person's lying or aren't they're 398 00:16:04,610 --> 00:16:03,480 not but when you get to meet them in 399 00:16:07,610 --> 00:16:04,620 person 400 00:16:10,129 --> 00:16:07,620 you can tell if you've done this which I 401 00:16:12,590 --> 00:16:10,139 used to interview you know kids uh 402 00:16:13,610 --> 00:16:12,600 mainly and victims of horrendous sex 403 00:16:15,889 --> 00:16:13,620 crimes 404 00:16:19,129 --> 00:16:15,899 and the trauma the trauma that you see 405 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:19,139 in them is very similar to uh 406 00:16:24,829 --> 00:16:22,620 interviewing some alleged abductees and 407 00:16:26,509 --> 00:16:24,839 whether something actually happened or 408 00:16:29,389 --> 00:16:26,519 didn't to some of them 409 00:16:31,550 --> 00:16:29,399 I can pretty certainly say I think that 410 00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:31,560 everyone nearly everyone I've talked to 411 00:16:35,569 --> 00:16:34,079 really feels that 412 00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:35,579 um they're speaking the truth of what 413 00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:36,959 they experienced 414 00:16:42,410 --> 00:16:40,079 so if that makes sense like whether uh 415 00:16:45,530 --> 00:16:42,420 some of them experience maybe a surreal 416 00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:45,540 like a sleep paralysis or some other 417 00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:47,880 things but they're not making it up 418 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:50,880 right and so then you get into this um 419 00:16:55,069 --> 00:16:52,980 Soul abduction thing I don't know what 420 00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:55,079 to think of that to be honest because I 421 00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:56,399 feel like I'm pretty grounded but when 422 00:16:59,870 --> 00:16:58,320 someone tells me they could their soul 423 00:17:01,310 --> 00:16:59,880 could be taken out and taken up through 424 00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:01,320 the ceiling and go to the ship but they 425 00:17:06,409 --> 00:17:04,500 never never physically leave 426 00:17:09,049 --> 00:17:06,419 um I have to have an open mind to these 427 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:09,059 things but it is hard for me to swallow 428 00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,740 because we want the person to actually 429 00:17:16,010 --> 00:17:13,199 disappear from their bed we want them 430 00:17:16,909 --> 00:17:16,020 you know like Bobby was here now he's 431 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:16,919 not 432 00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:19,740 you know and now he comes back 433 00:17:24,049 --> 00:17:21,900 so there's a lot to this that I just 434 00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,059 think that like we can't even begin to 435 00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:26,160 understand until we acknowledge that at 436 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:28,260 least the people are being 437 00:17:31,610 --> 00:17:30,360 um most of them are truthful to what 438 00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:31,620 they know and then let's figure out 439 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:33,600 what's happening 440 00:17:38,210 --> 00:17:35,760 and some emotions are really difficult 441 00:17:40,370 --> 00:17:38,220 to fake and when you hear the police the 442 00:17:42,529 --> 00:17:40,380 surreptitious police station recording 443 00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:42,539 of Calvin and the other gentleman I 444 00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:44,640 believe his last name is Hixson 445 00:17:48,289 --> 00:17:45,440 um 446 00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:48,299 Charles Hixon right it's very difficult 447 00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:49,919 to I mean you're in you were in the 448 00:17:53,570 --> 00:17:51,720 business but it's difficult to fake that 449 00:17:56,330 --> 00:17:53,580 kind of emotion just like when you hear 450 00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:56,340 certain Bigfoot experiences and and they 451 00:18:02,270 --> 00:17:59,400 say uh an alpha type man if you will 452 00:18:03,890 --> 00:18:02,280 quote says I peed on myself uh they 453 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:03,900 don't normally give those kind of 454 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,940 details unless it happened you know if 455 00:18:08,990 --> 00:18:07,440 you're gonna get abducted or you're 456 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:09,000 gonna see Bigfoot hope that you have 457 00:18:14,330 --> 00:18:11,700 witnesses with you because number one 458 00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:14,340 like you you don't normally the stories 459 00:18:19,549 --> 00:18:16,740 unless there was someone there like the 460 00:18:21,770 --> 00:18:19,559 the Travis Walton case like I've told 461 00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:21,780 Travis many times I like I don't it's a 462 00:18:25,250 --> 00:18:24,000 wrong way to say this you were lucky but 463 00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:25,260 you were lucky that you had the people 464 00:18:30,169 --> 00:18:28,320 there because otherwise you know like 465 00:18:31,549 --> 00:18:30,179 well I guess he didn't want the world to 466 00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:31,559 know anyways but 467 00:18:36,529 --> 00:18:33,840 but no one would probably heard what 468 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:36,539 happened unless you had seven Witnesses 469 00:18:41,690 --> 00:18:39,120 right taking polygraphs and everything 470 00:18:45,230 --> 00:18:41,700 and that's much much harder to fake and 471 00:18:47,090 --> 00:18:45,240 concoct and to stick to the same story 472 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:47,100 um and same with Calvin you know like 473 00:18:50,510 --> 00:18:49,320 many many people experience things and 474 00:18:52,010 --> 00:18:50,520 they're all alone 475 00:18:54,110 --> 00:18:52,020 and it's just kind of like listening to 476 00:18:55,610 --> 00:18:54,120 someone's dream it's like oh okay yeah 477 00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:55,620 they came down and did what's you okay 478 00:18:59,330 --> 00:18:57,960 you don't have video of it do you all 479 00:19:02,390 --> 00:18:59,340 right well I guess maybe it happened 480 00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:02,400 right but when you have witnesses 481 00:19:08,029 --> 00:19:04,140 um we really hear about these stories 482 00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:08,039 and we can add more Credence to them 483 00:19:11,930 --> 00:19:09,900 that's true 484 00:19:13,610 --> 00:19:11,940 um I've heard uh I've heard some 485 00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:13,620 encounters on both that I don't believe 486 00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:16,080 in I've heard some that I I truly 487 00:19:21,890 --> 00:19:18,960 believe and uh that's just down to me 488 00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:21,900 and my personal intuition and opinion 489 00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:24,240 but I did want to ask you regarding 490 00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:25,799 because you've done so much work we'd be 491 00:19:30,409 --> 00:19:28,559 remiss if we didn't discuss uh some of 492 00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:30,419 these uh 493 00:19:35,330 --> 00:19:32,820 um uh these encounters and and the one 494 00:19:37,549 --> 00:19:35,340 that you documented uh close to Little 495 00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:37,559 Rock it's funny I I used to be stationed 496 00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:38,280 there and they were talking about 497 00:19:42,770 --> 00:19:40,200 careers very late that's where I went 498 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,780 through high schools at Little Rock yeah 499 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:45,360 um right but um 500 00:19:53,090 --> 00:19:49,440 um to me some of the most compelling uh 501 00:19:55,970 --> 00:19:53,100 aspects of that are not hyper speed 502 00:19:58,250 --> 00:19:55,980 necessarily but as you talked about you 503 00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:58,260 know them flying in a circuitous manner 504 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,919 at a velocity that craft that uh that 505 00:20:07,010 --> 00:20:03,840 are conventionally powered or powered by 506 00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:07,020 anything that we know uh that you know 507 00:20:12,409 --> 00:20:08,880 operates under Bernoulli's Theorem and 508 00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:12,419 uh Newton's Laws of Motion Etc could not 509 00:20:16,190 --> 00:20:14,340 do that you know you and you would you 510 00:20:18,409 --> 00:20:16,200 went into that at length but I'm curious 511 00:20:20,990 --> 00:20:18,419 what you and you know so hovering to me 512 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:21,000 is is fantastic when something can hover 513 00:20:25,490 --> 00:20:23,580 at these altitudes so I'm curious what 514 00:20:27,890 --> 00:20:25,500 what you find to be the most compelling 515 00:20:30,529 --> 00:20:27,900 of what you've seen in these these uh 516 00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,539 several cases that you've taken on since 517 00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:32,640 like let's say August 518 00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:35,760 well uh for those who have seen um you 519 00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:37,140 know I encourage people to watch the 520 00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:41,400 whole series uh as a progression because 521 00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:44,460 um the last one I put out was some ATC 522 00:20:50,029 --> 00:20:47,640 radar um or cheddar and stuff and I have 523 00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:50,039 more of that I've got a lot of that and 524 00:20:54,529 --> 00:20:51,600 I had to push the side because I'm 525 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,539 working on a really big case now 526 00:20:58,430 --> 00:20:56,640 um totally different phenomena but it's 527 00:20:59,870 --> 00:20:58,440 really exciting with the footage and 528 00:21:02,150 --> 00:20:59,880 we're trying to figure out where these 529 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,160 things are but 530 00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:05,280 um as far as these racetrack patterns I 531 00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:07,500 do think and 532 00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:10,500 um I guess I want to say this properly 533 00:21:14,810 --> 00:21:12,780 I had always considered the possibility 534 00:21:16,909 --> 00:21:14,820 of satellites 535 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:16,919 um I think I was mistaken that we we 536 00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:19,080 have a new configuration of satellites 537 00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:20,460 that are 538 00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,660 that we haven't seen before the 539 00:21:30,049 --> 00:21:27,360 intensity of uh if it's starlink you 540 00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:30,059 know of the the flaring and all that so 541 00:21:33,049 --> 00:21:31,500 the majority can be explained by that 542 00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:33,059 but what we haven't had time to do yet 543 00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:35,700 my research partner Brittany and I is to 544 00:21:42,130 --> 00:21:38,460 put out what we call an outlier case the 545 00:21:45,649 --> 00:21:42,140 outliers we have several incidents where 546 00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:45,659 the F-18 pilot I originally reported on 547 00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:47,580 where he's talking about these things 548 00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:48,460 starting over there 549 00:21:52,190 --> 00:21:50,100 [Music] 550 00:21:54,169 --> 00:21:52,200 um they were doing kind of circular 551 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,179 paths but they moved from there directly 552 00:21:59,330 --> 00:21:56,640 over his aircraft 553 00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,340 um a seventh one came down from it 554 00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:01,919 looked like space and joined it stopped 555 00:22:06,649 --> 00:22:04,440 and then joined the other ones 556 00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,659 um I've got others who have seen these 557 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:08,880 things move and stop and then take off 558 00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:10,500 almost like 559 00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:12,659 um the speed of a bolt of lightning 560 00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:15,720 okay so stopping and then going and so 561 00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:17,940 what we want to do is lay out these 562 00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:20,220 outlier cases and tell people look don't 563 00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,200 just dismiss things because we can 564 00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:24,480 explain a good portion of these as 565 00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,700 satellites and like okay anything that 566 00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,799 Pilots see that's similar it's solved 567 00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:31,440 it's not I really think that's a big 568 00:22:38,810 --> 00:22:35,120 mistake right and um especially because 569 00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:38,820 we have to consider the possibility that 570 00:22:42,529 --> 00:22:39,659 um 571 00:22:45,649 --> 00:22:42,539 that they 572 00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,659 are trying to mimic or or mixing in with 573 00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,520 this new satellite phenomena and 574 00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:49,679 disguising themselves no I'm not saying 575 00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:50,460 that 576 00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:54,120 but because Pilots are more aware 577 00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:56,220 um to look for for strange things now 578 00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,900 and there's a lot of Buzz going on here 579 00:23:02,330 --> 00:22:59,760 I think we're getting more reports of 580 00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:02,340 these outliers as well and things that 581 00:23:08,510 --> 00:23:05,940 just can't be explained we have yet not 582 00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,520 heard from SpaceX 583 00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:10,559 um and I'm just saying me the little guy 584 00:23:17,149 --> 00:23:14,520 I'm talking about NBC the Today show 585 00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:17,159 um you know some some uh you know Daily 586 00:23:21,049 --> 00:23:18,480 Mail and some of those others were 587 00:23:24,409 --> 00:23:21,059 reporting on this stuff nobody has 588 00:23:26,510 --> 00:23:24,419 received word back from SpaceX or from 589 00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:26,520 um the FAA or NASA 590 00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:29,580 in regards to what these things are so 591 00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:32,039 this is their problem too 592 00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,260 I they're the ones who are getting these 593 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,720 reports and filling up the the the 594 00:23:42,049 --> 00:23:39,360 channels and with the chatter and being 595 00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:42,059 extraction to Pilots so if there's an 596 00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:43,080 answer 597 00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:46,200 and if if SpaceX knows or the FAA has 598 00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,679 some you know control over this why 599 00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:51,840 aren't you notifying your Pilots 600 00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:53,820 why aren't you coming out and saying 601 00:23:58,370 --> 00:23:56,340 this is what they look like 602 00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:58,380 um if you see this this is probably what 603 00:24:02,090 --> 00:23:59,520 it is 604 00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:02,100 and start helping in the process and I 605 00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,360 don't mean to be too harsh on them 606 00:24:05,630 --> 00:24:04,559 because they have limited resources 607 00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:05,640 right now 608 00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,360 but what happens is they report it their 609 00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:12,000 supervisor at ATC 610 00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:15,179 says that's interesting maybe they make 611 00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:17,580 a couple phone calls and a story 612 00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:20,039 hardly ever is a report file that goes 613 00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,679 higher up the food chain and nobody has 614 00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,440 called any of my Pilots for follow-up 615 00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:28,080 right and and so you're left with people 616 00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:31,559 like us who are doing it for basically 617 00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:33,659 free in our time 618 00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:36,659 because we we have a vested interest in 619 00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,520 the safety of it and I think it's 620 00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,840 important that people know what's going 621 00:24:44,990 --> 00:24:41,520 on 622 00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:45,000 for those of you who want to check out 623 00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,460 Ben's awesome videos that are quite 624 00:24:51,049 --> 00:24:49,919 detailed and he went to Great Lengths uh 625 00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:51,059 you see it on your screen there 626 00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,820 hypocenter Productions 101 on YouTube 627 00:24:58,850 --> 00:24:56,640 money Nathan thank you 628 00:25:00,409 --> 00:24:58,860 I mean Ben you um I mean I think you're 629 00:25:01,549 --> 00:25:00,419 touching on this some and it gets found 630 00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:01,559 on a little bit further but we were 631 00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,059 talking about Pilots 632 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,559 um commercial pilots some who are just 633 00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,720 you know transferring uh Freight but 634 00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:08,640 many who have responsible for people's 635 00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:09,960 lives I mean we have talking about 636 00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:12,059 people that are shuttling uh human 637 00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:14,820 beings around constantly in the air and 638 00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:18,059 for governments not to tell them a 639 00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:19,260 little bit more about what they might be 640 00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:21,179 seeing it just seems like incredibly 641 00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:23,159 irresponsible I mean the argument that 642 00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,100 this might be some kind of black Tech or 643 00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:28,080 whatnot that the government is just kind 644 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:29,760 of experimenting with in space okay sure 645 00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,640 maybe that if that is the case fine but 646 00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:34,559 there is some level of responsibility I 647 00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,360 would I would imagine to at least the 648 00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:38,159 FAA to say hey look you know we're kind 649 00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,419 of playing around with some new toys up 650 00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:41,039 there and we don't want you to be 651 00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:43,320 distracted by this you know we're 652 00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:45,000 counting on you to kind of do your job 653 00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:46,500 and not have to you know pull out your 654 00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:48,120 cell phone and try to film this or fill 655 00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:49,440 out a report that just clutters up 656 00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:51,480 things that may distract us from doing 657 00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:53,940 other tasks that are really important 658 00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:56,039 yeah and it just gets put basically in a 659 00:26:01,010 --> 00:25:58,740 dust bin you know it just is like 660 00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:01,020 I understand within their scope of what 661 00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,179 they're given they they they don't have 662 00:26:06,769 --> 00:26:05,039 the ability to 663 00:26:07,789 --> 00:26:06,779 um investigate at the FAS that's not 664 00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,799 their job 665 00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:09,900 but then whose is it 666 00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:12,659 and the the task force whoever 667 00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:15,179 um needs to do revamp the policy of 668 00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:17,940 reporting a follow-up 669 00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:19,860 um we've got just to kind of tease this 670 00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,860 once I clear my plate of this new big 671 00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:24,720 thing I think it's pretty big 672 00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:26,820 we have a couple daytime sightings 673 00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:28,919 nothing to do with these racetrack 674 00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:30,779 patterns but objects that seem to be 675 00:26:35,630 --> 00:26:32,940 pacing or 676 00:26:39,049 --> 00:26:35,640 um in the airspace with video you know 677 00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:39,059 of of aircraft and it's like 678 00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,820 okay now I now I have a potential of a 679 00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,159 near miss or something you know of this 680 00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:46,080 object so what are they going to do 681 00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:49,380 about it and it's it's call up ATC okay 682 00:26:52,510 --> 00:26:51,299 nope don't have anything on radar okay 683 00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:52,520 move along 684 00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:55,799 you know it's like right all right yep 685 00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:59,460 don't see it sorry yeah yeah and so you 686 00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:00,840 wonder why Pilots don't want to report 687 00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:04,200 you know they're like all all it is is a 688 00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:05,220 negative 689 00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:05,880 um 690 00:27:12,049 --> 00:27:09,419 a loss for them of risk because 691 00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,059 you know their Airline could retaliate 692 00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:13,919 against them if it went public you know 693 00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:15,960 why did you tell this person or that 694 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:18,659 or the FAA some of them whether this is 695 00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:20,400 true or not some of them are still 696 00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:22,140 afraid there's a myth you know that 697 00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:23,340 they're going to come along and remove 698 00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:24,840 your medical because you're reporting 699 00:27:27,890 --> 00:27:26,100 crazy things 700 00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:27,900 right and then you can't fly anymore 701 00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:30,720 which I don't think is a real legit 702 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,659 thing that still happens but 703 00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:35,760 um some of them are afraid of that 704 00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,620 and so they're like if the f8 isn't 705 00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:39,360 going to do anything with it 706 00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,289 I was going to say fortunately what 707 00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:47,520 you're doing you're destigmatizing it 708 00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:49,740 because we've heard those uh I don't 709 00:27:52,669 --> 00:27:50,820 know if it's the beginning of Martin 710 00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:52,679 Willis's show it's one of the shows out 711 00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:54,299 there where somebody's talking to 712 00:27:57,950 --> 00:27:56,520 Charlotte Center and they're saying do 713 00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:57,960 you want to report a UFO like no we 714 00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,919 don't want to report anything do you 715 00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:00,720 want it no we're not important or 716 00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,480 anything but uh and I think with the 717 00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:04,980 question I wrote down and I got to get 718 00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:06,840 this to Deb so basically it's it was 719 00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:09,240 interesting the the controller very 720 00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:11,580 wisely never asked any of those Pilots 721 00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:14,279 if they want to report a quote UFO 722 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,740 unquote perhaps he was allowing them to 723 00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:18,320 relate what they were seeing without 724 00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,220 stigmatizing it do you do you believe 725 00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,799 that was the case that was purposeful 726 00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:25,200 yeah yeah and I think that they always 727 00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:27,059 are kind of careful that they just say 728 00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:29,400 do you have any traffic no we're not 729 00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:31,860 showing anything okay that's weird some 730 00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:33,480 of the the radio chatter I'm going to 731 00:28:36,169 --> 00:28:34,380 release 732 00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:36,179 um maybe before Christmas is we get 733 00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:38,340 around to it it's funny because they're 734 00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:40,860 human they joke around but you'll hear 735 00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:42,600 Pilots like chiming in there and like 736 00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:44,520 Whispering it's aliens 737 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,140 you know stuff 738 00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,000 and the controllers are the ones usually 739 00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:50,640 being the very professional ones despite 740 00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,159 what the pilots are joking around but 741 00:28:57,649 --> 00:28:56,640 again fear is a way that people deal 742 00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:57,659 with this 743 00:29:03,169 --> 00:28:59,820 right humor humor is a way that people 744 00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:03,179 deal with fear in a lot of these because 745 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,919 they're up there and they're seeing 746 00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:06,000 things they're like I'm not even gonna 747 00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:08,520 go down that road hahaha but can they 748 00:29:14,090 --> 00:29:12,000 explain it no and and when we you know 749 00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:14,100 have the opportunity to interview them 750 00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:17,100 usually not in that setting they're like 751 00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,279 yeah I mean maybe I'm not afraid that 752 00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:22,559 it's gonna you know come and take me 753 00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:24,659 but this is really really weird because 754 00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:27,299 it shouldn't be in the sky 755 00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,700 well uh Debs is going to get the the 756 00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,980 final question with you but one and and 757 00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:33,840 but one of the things that I I wrote 758 00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:36,840 down was that one of the pilots uh was 759 00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:38,039 having an interaction with the 760 00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:39,960 controller and they said oh this is 761 00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,059 probably a military something or other 762 00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,820 and we'll probably never know uh and he 763 00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:46,559 goes you got that right something so I'm 764 00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:49,320 just you know paraphrasing here and it I 765 00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:51,000 really believe there's a cognitive 766 00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:53,640 dissonance that occurs when somebody 767 00:29:57,889 --> 00:29:56,279 cannot explain I can't explain that and 768 00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,899 I don't want to believe that it's 769 00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:59,279 something that I can't explain so 770 00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,980 therefore I'm gonna throw something also 771 00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:03,840 happens with Bigfoot all the time what 772 00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:05,820 is that what do you think it is it just 773 00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:07,380 threw something at you think there's a 774 00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:08,940 baseball player out here in the middle 775 00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:11,760 of the woods uh but anyway there's a 776 00:30:15,649 --> 00:30:14,100 cognitive dissonance that occurs and I 777 00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,659 think that's what happened in that in 778 00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,000 that particular instance yeah it's a 779 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:20,159 defense mechanism and you'll hear it um 780 00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:23,220 with Witnesses who um more than a couple 781 00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:25,260 times I've heard they see something in 782 00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:26,760 the sky they pull over their car they 783 00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:28,500 get out 784 00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:30,539 um they might even video it and and a 785 00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:32,760 bunch of people watching it they get 786 00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:34,919 back into their car drive home with 787 00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:36,539 whoever they're with and don't talk 788 00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:38,340 about it at all 789 00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:40,679 until like a couple days or sometimes 790 00:30:44,269 --> 00:30:42,179 even years later and they're like you 791 00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:44,279 remember that weird thing we saw holy 792 00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:46,919 crap that is weird why would you not be 793 00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,840 talking about it all the way home and it 794 00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:50,640 might be what you're talking about is 795 00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:53,100 that it's so sometimes like 796 00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:55,620 earth-shattering your brain goes into 797 00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:58,440 overdrive in in trying a defense 798 00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:00,120 mechanism of denial 799 00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,580 and it's kind of like I don't even know 800 00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:04,799 how to begin to address it and so they 801 00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:06,899 just pretend they block it out 802 00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:09,240 right and that happens quite frequently 803 00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:12,240 when people don't discuss their sighting 804 00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:14,460 or they forget they have a phone 805 00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:15,899 in their pocket and they can watch 806 00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:18,059 something for 20 and 30 minutes 807 00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:19,740 and and then the first question is well 808 00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:21,179 did you video it and we all want to know 809 00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:24,240 why didn't you video it I don't know I'm 810 00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:26,340 just staring at it 811 00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:28,200 I think we should call that the Kurt 812 00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,059 Russell phenomenon since he did that 813 00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:32,159 with the Phoenix Lights and he was a 814 00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,960 pilot who saw it 815 00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:36,000 um so yeah I just wanted to ask about 816 00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:38,460 pilots in general because I heard 817 00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:40,860 yesterday in a talk space that I was in 818 00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:43,799 actually that um apparently China's been 819 00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:47,520 having people report UFOs since day one 820 00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:50,220 so we're really behind on this and then 821 00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:52,740 there are other Pilots that are probably 822 00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:55,140 sitting on some interesting stories from 823 00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,779 NASA test pilots and of course then 824 00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:59,580 there's the astronauts so I was 825 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,020 wondering if you were going to broaden 826 00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:06,010 um yeah I mean we're we're open to 827 00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:07,980 anybody like 828 00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:11,580 um my next report is not even Pilots 829 00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:13,799 um but we just kind of got on this train 830 00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,200 with Pilots because it's a Snowball 831 00:32:20,029 --> 00:32:17,760 Effect and we keep getting more and more 832 00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:20,039 people reporting to us 833 00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:22,980 um and I I love all sorts of aviators 834 00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:24,899 anybody who wants to talk about it so 835 00:32:27,769 --> 00:32:26,460 that does seem to be kind of the niche 836 00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:27,779 but 837 00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:31,140 um you know I I I don't know if I've 838 00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:33,539 actually talked to any astronaut you 839 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:35,159 know one-on-one about things that 840 00:32:39,889 --> 00:32:37,799 they've seen But there are other 841 00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:39,899 countries who seem to be more open about 842 00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:42,059 this that don't have that stigma that is 843 00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:45,179 entirely true and why we continue with 844 00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:46,200 it here 845 00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:49,500 you know is is beyond silly you know I 846 00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:51,539 had a guy from Australia pilot down 847 00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:53,340 there the same thing happens though he's 848 00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:57,059 like I have a very uncommon name and he 849 00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,100 didn't want me to use his name or 850 00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:01,140 anything because of he was afraid of it 851 00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,640 being on the news and him getting in 852 00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:04,500 trouble with his airline 853 00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:07,559 and everything there so most western 854 00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:09,659 world countries are kind of like that 855 00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:13,200 and and the others um just one side note 856 00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:15,659 getting sucked up into this whole China 857 00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:18,299 thing I'm not sure what to make of this 858 00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:21,419 yet because we saw this shift with the 859 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:22,980 New York Times article 860 00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:25,140 and we're all sitting here waiting for 861 00:33:31,450 --> 00:33:28,200 the new UAP report to come out but it 862 00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:31,460 seems like somebody whether it was 863 00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,899 intentional or not or just a New York 864 00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:35,279 Times spinning it 865 00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:38,640 they're priming you to make this more of 866 00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,860 a an issue of National Security meaning 867 00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,720 that we we may not know what our 868 00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:44,159 adversaries are flying drones and we 869 00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:45,899 hear drones drones drones drones 870 00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:49,620 right that is also important but they're 871 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:52,140 conflating the two issues right right 872 00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:55,260 who cares at this point whether it's 873 00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:59,220 China or or ET the issue is you don't 874 00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,320 dismiss it if you if you don't know 875 00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:04,080 what's swarming your battleship and you 876 00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,279 don't know where these things are going 877 00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,399 and you don't know who's flying them you 878 00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:10,560 know that's the first concern 879 00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,899 right and and so for you to come out and 880 00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:15,119 just say we've we've determined that 881 00:34:19,369 --> 00:34:16,560 most of these things are probably 882 00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:19,379 Chinese drones it's like that is not 883 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,200 comforting right because do we have that 884 00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,760 capability and then you got China over 885 00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:25,919 here getting upset like prove it don't 886 00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:28,200 use her accusations at us if you have no 887 00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,320 proof so it was a bad move I think it's 888 00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,720 a bad PR move if that's what they're 889 00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:34,800 doing 890 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:37,379 yeah and Ben couldn't they be a dump in 891 00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,020 like VX pellets on the on the the deck 892 00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:42,000 of a carrier if they can just fly with 893 00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:44,040 impunity over whatever ship they want 894 00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:45,720 hey let's see what kind of Munitions we 895 00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:48,179 want to drop or gas or chem 896 00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,599 so yeah it's a big problem and if you 897 00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,280 remember the flap we had it was like two 898 00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:55,260 summers ago in the midwest Colorado 899 00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:58,080 Nebraska 900 00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,140 um the some states there like North 901 00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:03,599 Dakota they they had no idea the FBI 902 00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:06,119 investigated this they still had no 903 00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:09,260 conclusion as to how there were hundreds 904 00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,359 of look like drones look like 905 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:14,160 anti-collision lights swarming around 906 00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:16,020 checking out different fields flying 907 00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:17,880 away they don't know where they go 908 00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:20,880 uh that whoever if it's Earthly 909 00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:24,060 that's a massive you know like a control 910 00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:27,780 uh a very coordinated effort 911 00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:30,660 you know for somebody who's got money 912 00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:33,000 and that you know for an adversary or 913 00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:35,160 somebody else testing stuff out you know 914 00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,040 to go around and to do that in so many 915 00:35:43,069 --> 00:35:40,640 locations that is a security problem 916 00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,079 right and so you got both of those 917 00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,599 issues happening and I think in the eyes 918 00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:47,640 of the media the problem is the media 919 00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:49,740 doesn't care or take the time to 920 00:35:53,569 --> 00:35:51,660 separate them and say 921 00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,579 you know okay most of these are just 922 00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,500 drones okay let's move on no 923 00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,119 intellectually we haven't determined 924 00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:59,940 that who's flying them 925 00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:01,140 yeah 926 00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:05,220 I'm with you um so uh guys and gals in 927 00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:06,660 the chat we got to get Ben out of here 928 00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,060 so we're gonna go with cabbie goodbyes 929 00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:11,040 and then we'll basically beg Ben to come 930 00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:13,260 back at another point but uh but let's 931 00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:16,500 start with the Gabby goodbyes Deb 932 00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:19,500 T yeah I just wanted to say to quote 933 00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:22,380 Labyrinth should you need us we are here 934 00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:25,500 we're happy to help you in your uh in 935 00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:27,900 your activities awesome well there's 936 00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:29,700 three of you you could be like the lone 937 00:36:34,490 --> 00:36:30,900 gunman 938 00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:34,500 right and and I just call you up and we 939 00:36:39,770 --> 00:36:37,380 actually we should for those who have 940 00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:39,780 time you know we just need time to 941 00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:42,119 organize it we need more manpower on 942 00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:43,740 some of this stuff like tracking down 943 00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,380 things because uh when we work on big 944 00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,359 cases I want to get the information out 945 00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:50,400 quickly but 946 00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:53,640 it's hard to have competent people 947 00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,980 you know to to go out and ask the right 948 00:37:02,210 --> 00:36:58,800 questions and to be a force multiplier 949 00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:02,220 right some of these cases are really big 950 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:04,980 and like I just said you know like 951 00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:08,400 uh in full disclosure I only monetize my 952 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:10,380 YouTube just a couple months ago because 953 00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:12,540 I was like if I'm going to do this I had 954 00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:15,000 to remonetize it the only thing that 955 00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:16,680 comes out is if somebody clicks on that 956 00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:20,040 and that's fine but you know when I've 957 00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,660 got a wife who's like why are you doing 958 00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:23,460 this again you know like is it is it 959 00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:25,020 making any money like 960 00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,940 um a little bit you know it's kind of 961 00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:28,079 like 962 00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:31,320 um we need more people in order to 963 00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:34,040 um to be able to to cover all the ground 964 00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:36,420 you know so hopefully down the road 965 00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:39,240 we'll assemble something like that I 966 00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:40,980 will say we we've gone the whole show 967 00:37:45,370 --> 00:37:43,560 without talking about metabunk 968 00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:45,380 um 969 00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:49,680 another 30 shows without time by the way 970 00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:52,020 there are some organizations out there 971 00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:54,359 who are better organized as far as 972 00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:56,820 forums and working in a problem 973 00:38:00,770 --> 00:37:59,339 right and So eventually we'd like to get 974 00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:00,780 to that 975 00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:02,700 um there's things I can't talk about yet 976 00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:05,579 but organizations and things that will 977 00:38:10,130 --> 00:38:08,220 be able to collect information and 978 00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:10,140 hopefully do a community sort of thing 979 00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:11,760 where we can solve some of these 980 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:12,780 together 981 00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:14,760 we can look for explanations when there 982 00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,460 when there are some or we can put 983 00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,339 together patterns and try to figure out 984 00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,839 what's happening and I think that is 985 00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:24,240 best done as a community it's just we 986 00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:27,060 got to stop the infighting we gotta stop 987 00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,599 you know tearing people down and and you 988 00:38:37,069 --> 00:38:32,760 know theories or character 989 00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:37,079 assassinations if somebody is not I mean 990 00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:39,060 if they've got a good heart in this and 991 00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:40,740 they're not legitimately out there to 992 00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,859 hoax and to do things like let's be open 993 00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:46,320 to to all sorts of theories and let the 994 00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:49,140 facts lead us where they may right stick 995 00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,270 yeah and um I'll I'll let Nathan go with 996 00:39:02,930 --> 00:39:01,200 his Gabby goodbye now you know Ben 997 00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:02,940 that's that's just so refreshing and I 998 00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,400 really appreciate you saying that and um 999 00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:06,960 you know there are a lot of folks out 1000 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:08,460 there in the community who I think are 1001 00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,859 eager to help and want to help uh with 1002 00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:12,240 the right effort the right leadership 1003 00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:15,660 structure so the the person power is 1004 00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,300 there uh and hopefully that the time and 1005 00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,160 the kind of stars will align to where we 1006 00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,040 can move these uh these resources in the 1007 00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:24,960 same direction but you're a big part of 1008 00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:26,520 that I appreciate your openness to this 1009 00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:28,020 conversation 1010 00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,700 um setting the stage for people to feel 1011 00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,260 comfortable to come forward and talk 1012 00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:32,880 with you about what they're seeing even 1013 00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:34,619 if later on it turns out it's totally 1014 00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:36,660 prosaic hey that's fine it's great let's 1015 00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:38,579 figure that out so thank you for what 1016 00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:40,140 you're doing and um you know you've got 1017 00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:42,359 big fans on on our show here and we hope 1018 00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:43,859 that you have a lot of success going 1019 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:45,960 forward awesome thank you guys and 1020 00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:48,060 thanks for carrying the message and uh 1021 00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:49,619 and hopefully we reach that point 1022 00:39:53,470 --> 00:39:51,900 because you know the government's behind 1023 00:39:56,810 --> 00:39:53,480 the game here 1024 00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,820 at least publicly and and what they're 1025 00:40:01,730 --> 00:39:59,040 you know sharing with us they could use 1026 00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:01,740 help too and if they're open to it 1027 00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:03,240 um you know we can all work on this 1028 00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:04,740 together 1029 00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,660 I also want to say in terms of force 1030 00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:09,359 multiplier uh you have some three of us 1031 00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:11,400 here I have an aviation background 1032 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:14,700 obviously from the Air Force and Nathan 1033 00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:17,820 and Debs also uh you could uh trust if 1034 00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:20,820 you need us to do some some uh speaking 1035 00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,500 with people or investigating or taking 1036 00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:24,540 statements we won't embarrass you I 1037 00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:26,280 promise you that it doesn't matter which 1038 00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:28,380 one of us does it and and I do speak the 1039 00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:31,140 lingo so awesome well thank you so much 1040 00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,420 appreciate it thank you so much Namaste 1041 00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:35,760 for your uh time Ben we're gonna stay on 1042 00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:37,800 and talk for a couple minutes your Links 1043 00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,140 of everything will be in our show notes 1044 00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:43,200 when the podcast comes out tomorrow and 1045 00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,240 uh we really really appreciate your time 1046 00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:47,760 and I know the aviation Community does 1047 00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:49,560 as well and I'm going to reach out to 1048 00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:52,140 the four or five or six guys I know that 1049 00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:54,060 are gotten off active duty and are 1050 00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:56,339 flying commercially to ask the question 1051 00:41:02,089 --> 00:41:00,240 at least and then directly to you uh 1052 00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,099 actually there will be some help you 1053 00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:04,560 could uh help me with when that happens 1054 00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,599 um okay yeah because we're going to be 1055 00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:09,119 rolling out some some uh kind of 1056 00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,859 reporting systems and methods to get 1057 00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:12,240 those reports 1058 00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:13,859 and I'm just collecting them right now 1059 00:41:18,589 --> 00:41:16,859 for my website you know ufowitness.tv 1060 00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,599 but 1061 00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:19,920 um I think we're going to be using 1062 00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:22,320 another system pretty soon here that's 1063 00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,839 going to be much larger and and gather 1064 00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:26,880 data better 1065 00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:28,740 um so I'll you know let you you know 1066 00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,900 that when it comes out and then you can 1067 00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:32,520 help me get the word out 1068 00:41:36,829 --> 00:41:34,980 absolutely thank you so much for your 1069 00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,839 time I know you have editing to do 1070 00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:38,640 tonight we'll stay on for a couple 1071 00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,859 minutes and just and just uh praise you 1072 00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:43,440 for a little while longer and we hope to 1073 00:41:50,089 --> 00:41:45,180 see you down the road brother up okay 1074 00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:56,569 good man ugh man Monet maze how about it 1075 00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:01,200 I was thrilled he was great I he went on 1076 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,060 more things he answered all my questions 1077 00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:06,000 before I asked them 1078 00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,180 I got to go look up his dissertation 1079 00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:11,640 yeah he did he yeah he did really well 1080 00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:13,859 it's interesting I don't think that the 1081 00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:15,300 interview went where we thought it was 1082 00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,800 going to go right 1083 00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:18,960 it was sort of we thought we were going 1084 00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:21,240 to talk about these these instances but 1085 00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,599 I think we had a more macro discussion 1086 00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:26,700 yeah well there's a lot there I mean the 1087 00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:29,220 guy's incredibly thoughtful uh you know 1088 00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:32,339 he's um he's open to the question he's 1089 00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,740 uh seems very genuine I mean this is the 1090 00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,480 qualities that we look for right we're 1091 00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:37,920 just trying to have a conversation and 1092 00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:40,500 clearly he's ready for that and is eager 1093 00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:43,320 to have that as well uh free of kind of 1094 00:42:47,569 --> 00:42:46,020 the ridicule and stigma and as he said 1095 00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:47,579 kind of character assassination that 1096 00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,579 tends to take place often in in these 1097 00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:53,040 circles so that's really refreshing and 1098 00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:55,140 and I think you know hopefully as a 1099 00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:57,720 model that others can can follow so you 1100 00:43:03,230 --> 00:42:59,940 know great work on his part to kind of 1101 00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,240 promote that mentality and and you know 1102 00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:05,040 I only I only left with more questions I 1103 00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:06,960 I know we're you're gonna have them back 1104 00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:08,460 and kind of dig into a lot more things 1105 00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:10,859 so that it'll be exciting in the future 1106 00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:15,359 I wrote notes like I had notes for some 1107 00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,859 things that he was saying I'm like oh 1108 00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:19,440 that's really good I wrote it down 1109 00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:21,480 yeah I think one of the folks from 1110 00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:23,339 Discovery mentioned something about 30 1111 00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:26,339 minutes I I think she asked me how long 1112 00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,720 you usually go I said you know we would 1113 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:30,000 go like 60 minutes and then she might 1114 00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,619 have mentioned something about 30 and I 1115 00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,359 was looking for that email today and I 1116 00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:36,119 couldn't find it but but I'm glad Nathan 1117 00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,099 asked the question when he did because 1118 00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:40,079 that was what I was thinking and I'm 1119 00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:42,660 just glad you asked him that so that we 1120 00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:44,099 always want to be respectful of Our 1121 00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,140 Guest time 1122 00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:48,720 um so uh but yeah that like this was 1123 00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:51,540 just like uh you know like a preliminary 1124 00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:54,060 discussion but I I feel like he'll he'll 1125 00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:55,859 come back and and speak with us again 1126 00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:58,560 and we can dig in and maybe we can be a 1127 00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:01,319 help uh to him if he has somebody that 1128 00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,140 he needs uh one of us to talk to yeah 1129 00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,000 for sure and a couple of things too came 1130 00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:07,680 to mind I mean I think we it would be 1131 00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,760 good to get him connected with Chris 1132 00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,740 Ledo and and what he's trying to do with 1133 00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,200 UAP Society uh because that's another 1134 00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,119 organized effort of course there's the 1135 00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:17,520 SCU too and I'm sure he already is aware 1136 00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:18,480 of that 1137 00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:19,800 um yeah but you know the other thing 1138 00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:21,000 that really jumped out at me quite 1139 00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:23,460 frankly is when he said uh that of these 1140 00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:25,560 Pilots that he's already spoken with 1141 00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:27,300 like there's basically been zero 1142 00:44:31,370 --> 00:44:29,819 follow-up from from anybody you know 1143 00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:31,380 that there's been no follow-up from 1144 00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:33,900 anybody on the task force no follow-up 1145 00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:37,319 you know I mean I mean so that tells you 1146 00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,480 quite a bit I think 1147 00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,280 um you know if you just set the stage 1148 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,160 with someone who's willing to listen to 1149 00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:46,440 what's out there willing to uh you know 1150 00:44:50,809 --> 00:44:48,420 entertain the question and make people 1151 00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:50,819 feel comfortable stepping forward and 1152 00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:52,200 sharing whatever it is that they're 1153 00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:54,060 seeing you know you're going to get 1154 00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:55,380 information you're going to get 1155 00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,619 something to take a look at uh and 1156 00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:00,960 instead we've had just a history of 1157 00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:04,140 incredible you know obfuscation and uh 1158 00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:06,180 you know just we don't want to deal with 1159 00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:07,680 this we don't want to talk about this we 1160 00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:09,960 want to stigmatize this and therefore 1161 00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:11,099 you have exactly what he talked about 1162 00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:12,540 Pilots that feel like it's just not even 1163 00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:15,180 worth their time because no one's going 1164 00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,099 to listen No One's Gonna you know 1165 00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:18,960 actually look at this and I think that's 1166 00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,760 that's a real concern I mean imagine 1167 00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:23,040 this DJ like it from your world too like 1168 00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:26,760 imagine this scenario where we have a a 1169 00:45:31,309 --> 00:45:29,760 drone strike that happens on a very 1170 00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:31,319 sensitive facility somewhere in the 1171 00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,819 United States 1172 00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,560 and uh and all of a sudden we're like 1173 00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,720 well geez we never saw this coming you 1174 00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:37,920 know that this incredible drone 1175 00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:39,660 technology was able to do these crazy 1176 00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:40,980 things that we couldn't you know we 1177 00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:42,599 couldn't detect it and yada yada and 1178 00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:44,460 like you know we look back at this did 1179 00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,839 anyone try to think about that or look 1180 00:45:49,490 --> 00:45:47,460 at that oh yeah well we did set up a 1181 00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:49,500 task force that you know was trying to 1182 00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:50,760 look at this well what did you do with 1183 00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:51,900 it well we really actually didn't do 1184 00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,180 much at all in fact we tried not to even 1185 00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:55,920 send a report to anyone we kind of 1186 00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:57,900 pretended it wasn't a big deal I mean it 1187 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:00,780 would be a catastrophe right I mean this 1188 00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:02,940 would be a huge failure of our 1189 00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,920 government to do that I mean obviously 1190 00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:07,200 they're not perfect but I mean we're at 1191 00:46:11,089 --> 00:46:09,300 a stage where if if this is drone 1192 00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:11,099 technology from one of our adversaries 1193 00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:13,079 then we better figure this out we better 1194 00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,000 figure and we better start you know 1195 00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:16,800 instituting some consequences for that I 1196 00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:18,420 mean if China's just going to kind of 1197 00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,579 buzz our our battle groups out in the 1198 00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,560 ocean I mean there should be some 1199 00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:25,020 political consequence to that to China 1200 00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:27,960 you know whether that's some kind of uh 1201 00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:31,020 you know tariff or you know slap on the 1202 00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:32,520 hand some other way or you know there 1203 00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:34,859 are there are things we can do exactly 1204 00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:37,980 that would communicate don't do this you 1205 00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:39,900 know and doesn't sound like we're doing 1206 00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,400 any of that so it's it's a bit 1207 00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,859 perplexing to me well I have I have a 1208 00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:45,540 question for you guys I'm going to throw 1209 00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:48,060 this around like because I'm gonna be DJ 1210 00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:49,680 for a minute and throw this around for 1211 00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:52,920 you guys to think about why is it on the 1212 00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:55,920 one hand we were doing that observation 1213 00:47:01,730 --> 00:46:58,619 stuff right like RuPaul said they were 1214 00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:01,740 tossing reports that that were being 1215 00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:03,660 given to Blue Book there were tons of 1216 00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:05,640 reports that didn't make it into what 1217 00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:08,819 people see now people sometimes wrote 1218 00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:12,060 them and then didn't file them or they 1219 00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,460 would rate them and be told not to 1220 00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:15,839 submit them 1221 00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:19,140 so why is it while that was going on and 1222 00:47:25,329 --> 00:47:22,319 why you know why for decades we just 1223 00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:25,339 didn't report anything at the same time 1224 00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,040 we had people from the CIA 1225 00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:32,400 working with our media 1226 00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:35,460 to put out movies that have to do with 1227 00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:38,520 this topic like that's a real thing we 1228 00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:42,420 genuinely worked with Hollywood to make 1229 00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,700 movies on this topic so what do you guys 1230 00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:46,560 think about that 1231 00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:48,540 you want me to go first or you want to 1232 00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:55,609 um it kind of goes along with what with 1233 00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,140 what his thesis was 1234 00:48:02,329 --> 00:48:00,540 um that there's been a slow drip 1235 00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:02,339 obviously you guys know that for the 1236 00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:03,540 last Maybe 1237 00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,160 four or five months I don't know how 1238 00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:07,440 long I I've kind of come to that 1239 00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:09,180 hypothesis I didn't start there I 1240 00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:11,220 started with I'm really angry about 1241 00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:13,500 Roswell because I get really irritated 1242 00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:16,200 when somebody lies to me whether it's a 1243 00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:19,380 you know an industrial or a a macro lie 1244 00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:22,200 or just an individual and so that really 1245 00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:24,180 bugged me and then I kind of said well I 1246 00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,619 disagree with the way they did it but I 1247 00:48:30,349 --> 00:48:28,200 understand that so I think they were 1248 00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:30,359 playing both sides of the fence and what 1249 00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:32,940 you're asking Deb actually fits in with 1250 00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:35,760 Nathan's point about the drones the 1251 00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:39,660 Drone swarms and the reason that I you 1252 00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:42,060 know at least for me I have to go back 1253 00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:46,500 and talk to that one source I have uh on 1254 00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:49,859 this topic uh that that knows some 1255 00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,660 things 1256 00:48:54,849 --> 00:48:54,000 but we don't know it it's in their 1257 00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:54,859 interest 1258 00:49:01,550 --> 00:48:58,200 to proliferate that because people can 1259 00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,560 digest drones drone is something that we 1260 00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,839 could go buy in Amazon a lot of people 1261 00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,000 do have them uh hell the real estate 1262 00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:07,680 agent in Nathan's neighborhood probably 1263 00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,420 has one 1264 00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,760 um so they're very they're sort of 1265 00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:12,720 everywhere 1266 00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:16,079 but when you say I don't know that's not 1267 00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:17,940 something you know anybody who's been in 1268 00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:20,579 a boardroom meeting uh has has been 1269 00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:23,339 around one of those big tables the worst 1270 00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:25,500 thing that you can say unfortunately 1271 00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:27,540 because sometimes it's the truth is I 1272 00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:28,740 don't know 1273 00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:35,040 even about the 2019 if I remember 1274 00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:36,780 correctly 1275 00:49:44,290 --> 00:49:40,859 I don't know how many of those were 1276 00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:44,300 thought to be commercial drones based on 1277 00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:48,000 what I've seen and so I'm not sure about 1278 00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,520 that but I know that that story serves 1279 00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:51,680 them 1280 00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,220 more than I don't know what it is 1281 00:50:00,770 --> 00:49:58,500 even though what Ben was saying is Well 1282 00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:00,780 it's still dangerous because then you're 1283 00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:02,940 telling me that this Aegis Cruiser or 1284 00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,819 this Battleship or this battle group can 1285 00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,640 be swarmed and they can't do anything I 1286 00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,280 don't necessarily believe that but I 1287 00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:14,160 don't I'm not 100 I know that that 1288 00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:17,579 narrative goes goes over better with the 1289 00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:19,859 public then it's something that we don't 1290 00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:21,720 know what the hell it is so I think 1291 00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,660 that's a continuation Deb of playing a 1292 00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:27,359 couple sides of the fence 1293 00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:30,660 yeah yeah for sure I mean look I'm just 1294 00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,099 trying to put myself in the shoes of a 1295 00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:34,319 congress person that is responsible for 1296 00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:35,280 some of 1297 00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:39,599 this uh you know security area and so if 1298 00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,940 someone comes to me and says hey you 1299 00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,200 know here's what here's an incident that 1300 00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:45,000 happened and uh you know our battle 1301 00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:46,980 group uh all this you know billions of 1302 00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:50,220 dollars of technology and Personnel uh 1303 00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:52,980 you know we got swarmed by these uh you 1304 00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:55,619 know these Advanced Chinese drones uh 1305 00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,200 you know that's what we think it is 1306 00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:00,480 um so that's all we got for you you know 1307 00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:01,440 I guess we're gonna head out of here 1308 00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:04,260 we'll see you later I mean like I gotta 1309 00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:05,880 tell you I mean I I would be absolutely 1310 00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,619 Furious you know I would be absolutely 1311 00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:09,839 Furious so you're telling me you it's 1312 00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:12,780 Chinese drones okay well what are we 1313 00:51:17,089 --> 00:51:14,700 doing about it you know what what is it 1314 00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,099 that we are doing about this problem 1315 00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:19,859 uh are we are we do we have a technology 1316 00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:22,680 that we can use to you know combat that 1317 00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:25,680 uh are we talking with our political 1318 00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,780 counterparts in China you know we're 1319 00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:29,599 talking to the Ambassador and saying hey 1320 00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,800 uh we know what you guys are doing over 1321 00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:34,079 here in the Pacific and you know this 1322 00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:36,119 isn't okay as a result you know we're 1323 00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:39,480 going to do XYZ uh to you guys 1324 00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,980 um are those conversations being being 1325 00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:43,200 had or are we you know you can see where 1326 00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:46,680 I'm going with this like just to say uh 1327 00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:48,119 you know as if like you're putting a 1328 00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:50,220 period on the problem like that could be 1329 00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:52,020 just Chinese or Russian drones period 1330 00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:53,339 well I guess we're done here I mean 1331 00:51:58,970 --> 00:51:55,740 you're not even close to being done you 1332 00:52:00,530 --> 00:51:58,980 know so I think that could take take the 1333 00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:00,540 phenomena out of the equation for just a 1334 00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,520 second and put yourselves in the shoes 1335 00:52:06,049 --> 00:52:04,319 of a lawmaker who's sitting in the in 1336 00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:06,059 the situation you're not going to be 1337 00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:07,980 happy or satisfied with just that answer 1338 00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:10,260 you know and there's a lot more that has 1339 00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,440 to come from that so you know I think uh 1340 00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:16,559 we need to keep that in mind 1341 00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:18,359 when we're we're talking about this 1342 00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:20,339 conversation but Deb you know to your 1343 00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:22,859 point about you know collecting the 1344 00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,900 reports and then you know Shifting The 1345 00:52:28,609 --> 00:52:26,640 Narrative in a different direction I 1346 00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:28,619 mean I think you know DJ pointed it's 1347 00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:30,780 not really really appropriately that you 1348 00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:32,339 know Ben's theory that there a lot of 1349 00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:33,900 this is narrative control you know and 1350 00:52:36,530 --> 00:52:35,579 there's a lot in our 1351 00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,540 um 1352 00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:38,880 Society you know and unfortunately this 1353 00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:41,220 is true and I don't think it's you know 1354 00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:42,780 there was a there was a there was one 1355 00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:43,680 point where this was pretty 1356 00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,180 conspiratorial but I don't think it's 1357 00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:47,359 that conspiratorial any longer that 1358 00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:49,800 there are special interests that do 1359 00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:53,400 control what is you know kind of 1360 00:53:01,309 --> 00:52:57,839 magnified or uh uh you know elevated to 1361 00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:01,319 conversation in in our country you know 1362 00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:03,540 that they can amplify certain talking 1363 00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,500 points over other talking points and um 1364 00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:09,540 it's not not to say they they suppress 1365 00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,220 every single bit of information that 1366 00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:12,720 comes out you know I don't think that 1367 00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:14,579 they're able to do that but they can 1368 00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:16,980 amplify messages that they want to 1369 00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,040 amplify and so this is uh in my opinion 1370 00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:23,160 a way for those that are you know kind 1371 00:53:27,890 --> 00:53:25,020 of in control they would rather kind of 1372 00:53:29,809 --> 00:53:27,900 control the narrative in a way that is 1373 00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:29,819 um safer for them safer for the country 1374 00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:32,040 for the nation's security you know 1375 00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:33,780 you're responsible for a lot of people 1376 00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,180 and I I want to make sure to make this 1377 00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:37,680 point is that you're not 1378 00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:40,500 you're not necessarily doing this from a 1379 00:53:45,049 --> 00:53:42,900 malicious intent you know you're kind of 1380 00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,059 doing this because in your mind you've 1381 00:53:48,890 --> 00:53:46,559 done the calculus you've done the 1382 00:53:51,290 --> 00:53:48,900 assessment you've said you know what the 1383 00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,300 the better way to do this just for the 1384 00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,000 safety and sake of not only our country 1385 00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,640 but perhaps the world is to you know 1386 00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:58,559 kind of turn the volume down on some of 1387 00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:00,780 this and turn the volume up on this 1388 00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:02,460 instead and let people just kind of go 1389 00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,619 about their lives and you know buy their 1390 00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:06,480 holiday presents and you know have their 1391 00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:07,980 Thanksgiving dinner whatever it is you 1392 00:54:12,109 --> 00:54:09,540 know just do the things that help 1393 00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,119 Society run you know it's better to do 1394 00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:14,640 that than to do it than described and 1395 00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:16,980 just like throw a hand grenade into the 1396 00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:18,540 situation and then all of a sudden like 1397 00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:21,000 you have a run on gas you have a run on 1398 00:54:24,829 --> 00:54:22,319 you know all these things and it just 1399 00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:24,839 can't it's cascading problem exactly and 1400 00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,579 that that you literally cannot control 1401 00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,500 and then the system begins to collapse 1402 00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:30,000 like I think that's a very real 1403 00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,300 possibility and uh you know to me 1404 00:54:36,970 --> 00:54:35,160 there's an argument here that whatever 1405 00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:36,980 what they have done is in some ways 1406 00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:39,780 responsible and I and I can still not 1407 00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,640 like it even if I'm more responsible 1408 00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:44,160 yeah yeah exactly yeah 1409 00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:45,900 you know you know one thing I was gonna 1410 00:54:51,049 --> 00:54:48,599 I the one thing I was going to say uh I 1411 00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:51,059 want to ask you guys about um because he 1412 00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:52,740 alluded to connection how we're all 1413 00:54:59,569 --> 00:54:55,800 connected and so if I ask you as as an 1414 00:55:02,990 --> 00:54:59,579 East coaster uh if we were in let's say 1415 00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:03,000 1980 were you aware of the Dogtown z 1416 00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,079 boys in Venice and they're sort of 1417 00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:09,540 skating in pools and creating vertical 1418 00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,640 skateboarding were you aware of that in 1419 00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:13,920 the 80s 1420 00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:15,720 I was very little 1421 00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:18,839 I've heard about it yeah yeah I was not 1422 00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:20,339 aware of it in the 80s obviously I'm 1423 00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:22,140 aware of it as of whenever it came out 1424 00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:26,940 like 2004 or 2003 when um when uh it got 1425 00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:30,000 to uh uh Cable cable channels and we got 1426 00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:32,760 to discover them but if you or someone 1427 00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:35,760 like Nathan in Kentucky you know or 1428 00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:38,280 growing up in the South or myself in New 1429 00:55:42,589 --> 00:55:40,800 York or Debs in Maryland you didn't know 1430 00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:42,599 about the Dogtown z boys but it was 1431 00:55:48,829 --> 00:55:45,300 happening and it was huge in California 1432 00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,839 and unless you were maybe a subscriber 1433 00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:51,119 to a skateboarding magazine maybe you 1434 00:55:56,329 --> 00:55:54,420 you you probably knew but in that way 1435 00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:56,339 now we're all connected and we would 1436 00:56:00,049 --> 00:55:58,500 know and I think that's one when Ben 1437 00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,059 said that we're all connected things 1438 00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:03,119 spread so fast you know on Twitter 1439 00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:05,880 Facebook Instagram and I'm not sure what 1440 00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:08,220 other platforms that people proliferate 1441 00:56:12,049 --> 00:56:10,140 news on I think that's where the 1442 00:56:14,809 --> 00:56:12,059 wildfire and the grenade that you were 1443 00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:14,819 just talking about and I'm sorry Debs 1444 00:56:20,569 --> 00:56:17,880 yeah I was I was only going to say that 1445 00:56:22,490 --> 00:56:20,579 I feel like yeah we're a lot more aware 1446 00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:22,500 I agree with that I think we're 1447 00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:24,359 everything is happening very quickly 1448 00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:26,460 nothing really requires all that much 1449 00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,440 money anymore for us to get this 1450 00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,720 information people are sharing more 1451 00:56:35,089 --> 00:56:33,359 openly now all of those things are a big 1452 00:56:36,829 --> 00:56:35,099 part of this 1453 00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:36,839 um people are getting at the technology 1454 00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,260 to film things on their own without you 1455 00:56:44,329 --> 00:56:42,000 know it being overly 1456 00:56:47,569 --> 00:56:44,339 be prohibitive you know like they used 1457 00:56:49,450 --> 00:56:47,579 to be but but I wanted to go back a 1458 00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:49,460 little bit to what Nathan had said 1459 00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:52,500 because it kind I want to highlight this 1460 00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:54,420 and someone actually commented on this 1461 00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,140 in the in the chat also if these were 1462 00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:00,480 Chinese or Russian 1463 00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:02,280 it would have already been an 1464 00:57:07,309 --> 00:57:05,579 international incident in my opinion if 1465 00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:07,319 that they would have already shot them 1466 00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:09,180 down and we've been told that they have 1467 00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:10,920 not been able to shoot some of these 1468 00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:14,280 down right so that's a highlighting that 1469 00:57:18,049 --> 00:57:16,740 it's a bigger issue than that 1470 00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:18,059 um 1471 00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:19,980 but it would have already been an 1472 00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:21,540 incident it would have already been on 1473 00:57:25,069 --> 00:57:23,220 the news they would have already blasted 1474 00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,079 them they would have already like and 1475 00:57:29,210 --> 00:57:26,880 the fact that the public knows this much 1476 00:57:31,010 --> 00:57:29,220 about that already that they've had 1477 00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,020 hearings about it that it there's an 1478 00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:33,839 ndaa and all that no they would have 1479 00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:37,140 already said China's doing this to us 1480 00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,480 and made a big deal about it it's a 1481 00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,040 great point 1482 00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:44,400 yeah and you know notice too how much uh 1483 00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,400 kind of 1484 00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:49,920 narrative diversity they're they're they 1485 00:57:55,130 --> 00:57:53,280 are tolerating with the subject so by 1486 00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:55,140 not saying anything definitive about 1487 00:57:58,030 --> 00:57:56,819 what it actually is they they're 1488 00:58:02,690 --> 00:57:58,040 permitting 1489 00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:02,700 this wide diversity of theory making you 1490 00:58:07,609 --> 00:58:04,500 know from from the public about well is 1491 00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:07,619 it this is it that you know if why even 1492 00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:09,720 tolerate that like so that there has to 1493 00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:10,680 be 1494 00:58:17,569 --> 00:58:15,780 tolerate the proliferation of a lot of 1495 00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:17,579 different theories as opposed to saying 1496 00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:19,079 you know what no it's actually none of 1497 00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:22,020 that stuff it literally is this so end 1498 00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:24,900 of story like it is this and not only is 1499 00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:28,880 it this but we are working on things to 1500 00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:31,559 actively combat that 1501 00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:34,200 you know and and if and and by that too 1502 00:58:38,809 --> 00:58:36,780 they can say Hey you know uh Department 1503 00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,819 of Defense or Congress or whatever in 1504 00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:41,520 order for us to actively combat that we 1505 00:58:47,329 --> 00:58:45,420 need more money for you know r d and XYZ 1506 00:58:49,609 --> 00:58:47,339 we need to you know so there are a lot 1507 00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:49,619 of things that that could come out of a 1508 00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,920 a definitive statement from the 1509 00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,200 government on what it actually is and 1510 00:58:59,390 --> 00:58:56,880 there is no definitive statement there 1511 00:59:02,329 --> 00:58:59,400 is basically a void so that they're 1512 00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:02,339 willing to tolerate a void and and the 1513 00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:04,260 question I would have is why is that you 1514 00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:05,940 know does it benefit them to just kind 1515 00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:08,520 of let us you know speculate all day 1516 00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:11,220 long about whatever it is is is the 1517 00:59:15,370 --> 00:59:12,480 thinking that 1518 00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:15,380 an amplification of exotic technology 1519 00:59:22,430 --> 00:59:18,540 you know somehow is a 1520 00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:22,440 like a specter of of of U.S dominance 1521 00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:25,380 that that deters our foreign adversaries 1522 00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:29,280 like like I mean we we don't need the uh 1523 00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:32,040 the public chatter bubble to kind of 1524 00:59:35,630 --> 00:59:33,599 make that kind of pronouncement you know 1525 00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:35,640 like if the government wants to say hey 1526 00:59:39,530 --> 00:59:37,799 we've developed amazing technology that 1527 00:59:41,630 --> 00:59:39,540 could totally do whatever we want to do 1528 00:59:44,089 --> 00:59:41,640 in an instant on the planet or from 1529 00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:44,099 space like you you would think they 1530 00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,680 would demonstrate that or or tell our 1531 00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,480 adversaries directly about it I mean 1532 00:59:53,089 --> 00:59:51,119 that would make them pretty fearful or 1533 00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:53,099 at least make them think twice about 1534 00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:56,099 flying a DJI drone over a battleship or 1535 01:00:00,650 --> 00:59:58,020 whatever or a drone of any other kind 1536 01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:00,660 for that matter you're right because DHA 1537 01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:03,480 you've said it before people in the U.S 1538 01:00:07,609 --> 01:00:05,339 Air Force for instance are all about 1539 01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,619 defending the skies they would 1540 01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:09,359 definitely want to show that they can 1541 01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:12,420 defend Us Against drones wouldn't they 1542 01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:15,059 so the fact that they haven't done that 1543 01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,240 is very telling 1544 01:00:24,530 --> 01:00:21,599 yeah I mean uh I'll take you guys inside 1545 01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:24,540 uh sort of uh uh prisoner of war 1546 01:00:29,329 --> 01:00:27,480 training where you're you're meant to 1547 01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,339 you go in a lab it looks like a prison 1548 01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:31,680 but they call it a lab 1549 01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,720 um and they make sure that you feel like 1550 01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,280 you're in a prison by breaking you down 1551 01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:37,440 a little bit before you get in there for 1552 01:00:41,450 --> 01:00:39,780 you know a week or so and then when you 1553 01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:41,460 get in there they teach you how to 1554 01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:43,740 answer they've taught you ahead of time 1555 01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:45,780 how to answer questions hopefully you 1556 01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,160 remember it when you get there and they 1557 01:00:51,289 --> 01:00:49,740 say delay 1558 01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:51,299 um delay distract 1559 01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:53,640 digress to irrelevancies 1560 01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:55,380 so if you're being asked these direct 1561 01:01:01,250 --> 01:00:57,420 questions how do you answer delay 1562 01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:01,260 distract digress to irrelevancies and I 1563 01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,780 think that sounds kind of similar to the 1564 01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:06,480 tactics that they're using that you can 1565 01:01:12,890 --> 01:01:09,720 you know they're uh 1566 01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,900 without naming uh people that if Nathan 1567 01:01:17,569 --> 01:01:15,359 just mentioned a void that they've 1568 01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:17,579 created that void that they can allow 1569 01:01:23,210 --> 01:01:20,700 your individual on UFO Twitter to fill 1570 01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,220 that void with whatever their worldview 1571 01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:26,160 is or whatever their proclivities are to 1572 01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:29,280 feel about something that we don't know 1573 01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,380 what it is so that they open that space 1574 01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:33,359 so what does that do that creates 1575 01:01:37,069 --> 01:01:35,160 confusion 1576 01:01:41,569 --> 01:01:37,079 um and that's good because then people 1577 01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:41,579 can't zero in on WE you can't unify 1578 01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:44,339 behind an idea because there's a zillion 1579 01:01:49,309 --> 01:01:47,520 ideas out there and people are you know 1580 01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,319 have these sort of torches and and so 1581 01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:51,599 forth that they're you know and Spears 1582 01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,160 and and shields 1583 01:01:57,049 --> 01:01:55,680 so so it's very helpful to them very 1584 01:01:59,089 --> 01:01:57,059 helpful 1585 01:02:01,130 --> 01:01:59,099 right I think that's a great point but 1586 01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:01,140 and and kind of to follow on to that too 1587 01:02:04,670 --> 01:02:03,540 so if you wanted them unified on 1588 01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,680 something 1589 01:02:09,230 --> 01:02:07,200 that would benefit you in this case you 1590 01:02:11,809 --> 01:02:09,240 as the government here you know whether 1591 01:02:13,130 --> 01:02:11,819 that's uh increased spending funding 1592 01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,140 whatever which is usually what the 1593 01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,839 government wants you know you you would 1594 01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,520 actually tell them right I mean you 1595 01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:19,440 would you would make it a clear and 1596 01:02:24,170 --> 01:02:21,180 present danger 1597 01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:24,180 to the public yeah right don't Sue uh 1598 01:02:28,910 --> 01:02:26,220 hold on Harrison Ford wait a minute all 1599 01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:28,920 right you would make it pretty explicit 1600 01:02:34,490 --> 01:02:31,680 because an explicit danger is something 1601 01:02:36,910 --> 01:02:34,500 that people will react viscerally to 1602 01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:36,920 like you said if there's no explicitly 1603 01:02:41,809 --> 01:02:39,839 uh explicit pronouncement about what the 1604 01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,819 danger happens to be then there's kind 1605 01:02:44,809 --> 01:02:43,440 of there's very little action there's a 1606 01:02:47,870 --> 01:02:44,819 lot of inaction in fact it's just 1607 01:02:50,690 --> 01:02:47,880 there's like a like a stasis of inertia 1608 01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:50,700 right but if you had this pronouncement 1609 01:02:54,650 --> 01:02:53,040 you know hey guys like uh our 1610 01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,660 adversaries have developed this amazing 1611 01:02:58,490 --> 01:02:57,119 Tech and uh we're really behind the a 1612 01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:58,500 ball you know the only thing that you've 1613 01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,180 heard that's even close to that is with 1614 01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:02,400 hypersonic wet wet Weaponry right 1615 01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:04,260 Hypersonic weapons which is the big kind 1616 01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:07,680 of thing now but you know you're not 1617 01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:09,540 hearing that with this with the with the 1618 01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:12,780 with uaps so that tells me that at least 1619 01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:16,020 I think anyway that uh whatever the 1620 01:03:20,530 --> 01:03:18,660 actual facts are is either a they just 1621 01:03:23,690 --> 01:03:20,540 literally don't know what they are 1622 01:03:25,970 --> 01:03:23,700 uh or B they do know what they are but 1623 01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,980 they don't want to talk about it yet 1624 01:03:30,829 --> 01:03:27,839 you know because talking about it is 1625 01:03:33,530 --> 01:03:30,839 does not serve them right now in 1626 01:03:35,630 --> 01:03:33,540 something I like a yeah and it could be 1627 01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:35,640 yeah completely oblivious I can't 1628 01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:38,940 imagine that they could they um you know 1629 01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:40,680 again Jim semivan it makes the most 1630 01:03:45,650 --> 01:03:42,420 sense they know more than we do 1631 01:03:48,410 --> 01:03:45,660 obviously but there's no way they could 1632 01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,420 no no they're just no I mean the origin 1633 01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:51,119 of it it's probably more likely too 1634 01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:53,880 complex and too diverse that they don't 1635 01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:55,319 have a handle on it and that was his 1636 01:03:59,089 --> 01:03:57,660 whole reasoning was if they can't if 1637 01:04:01,730 --> 01:03:59,099 they don't understand it they can't 1638 01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,740 explain it and again we're back to the 1639 01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:03,359 boardroom is it good to say I don't know 1640 01:04:10,190 --> 01:04:07,020 not a great idea I just had a fabulous 1641 01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:10,200 flash go through my head just now what 1642 01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:12,900 if the government is not admitting what 1643 01:04:17,809 --> 01:04:14,940 it is clearly 1644 01:04:20,569 --> 01:04:17,819 because they're afraid their soldiers 1645 01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:20,579 won't want to face it the pilots won't 1646 01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:23,700 want to face it they're afraid of the 1647 01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,920 military being terrified and they don't 1648 01:04:29,630 --> 01:04:27,359 care whether or not the Public's 1649 01:04:31,490 --> 01:04:29,640 terrified at all but they they don't 1650 01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:31,500 want people to be afraid to go in the 1651 01:04:36,289 --> 01:04:34,020 air let me give you an example of how 1652 01:04:39,549 --> 01:04:36,299 that's probably not the case 1653 01:04:43,069 --> 01:04:39,559 David fraver with no Weaponry at all 1654 01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,079 turned and pointed his aircraft to try 1655 01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:45,359 to run into that thing and I've said 1656 01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,480 probably some from the First shows that 1657 01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:50,160 we ever did Nathan when we talked about 1658 01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:51,839 this incident which some of the very 1659 01:04:56,569 --> 01:04:54,480 early shows that was an extreme Act of 1660 01:04:57,710 --> 01:04:56,579 Bravery because he didn't know what 1661 01:05:01,130 --> 01:04:57,720 would happen that could have been a 1662 01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:01,140 Class A accident if if that craft were 1663 01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:05,160 not agile enough to avoid him so I don't 1664 01:05:09,770 --> 01:05:06,660 think that's the case I think people 1665 01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:09,780 will will will fire on anything I just 1666 01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:13,020 think that it it it they probably don't 1667 01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:15,240 understand the entire gravity of the 1668 01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:17,640 phenomenon I don't think 1669 01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:19,260 um so we've gone a little past an hour 1670 01:05:23,450 --> 01:05:21,540 but let's uh you know we I thought we 1671 01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:23,460 could do if anybody's got a last point 1672 01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:24,900 and then just sit we can kind of like 1673 01:05:28,730 --> 01:05:26,520 say hello to people in the chat after 1674 01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,740 anyone's got a last point that they want 1675 01:05:32,990 --> 01:05:30,000 to make 1676 01:05:35,930 --> 01:05:33,000 well I just was was going to bring up 1677 01:05:39,049 --> 01:05:35,940 the conference that we got to go to and 1678 01:05:41,210 --> 01:05:39,059 say it was awesome on that's all I'm 1679 01:05:44,210 --> 01:05:41,220 sorry like that's my summary of it it 1680 01:05:46,970 --> 01:05:44,220 was awesome I loved it in the fact that 1681 01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,980 we're heading in an intellectual 1682 01:05:52,430 --> 01:05:49,200 um path we're going on an intellectual 1683 01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:52,440 path so two or three major things are 1684 01:05:56,809 --> 01:05:54,660 happening with the UFO Community one 1685 01:05:59,329 --> 01:05:56,819 more intellectuals are coming on board 1686 01:06:03,049 --> 01:05:59,339 you know scientists academics so on and 1687 01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:03,059 so forth openly you know not invisibly 1688 01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,700 then we have social media so like we're 1689 01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:07,680 all on the same page instantly we all 1690 01:06:12,130 --> 01:06:09,540 know what's going on we've had really 1691 01:06:15,950 --> 01:06:12,140 smart people giving us data like 1692 01:06:18,289 --> 01:06:15,960 immediately and then the third is just 1693 01:06:20,809 --> 01:06:18,299 this you know sense of unity of like we 1694 01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,819 need to get this organized like I've 1695 01:06:24,349 --> 01:06:22,559 been saying that a lot to people a lot 1696 01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:24,359 of people that I talk to are on the same 1697 01:06:28,430 --> 01:06:26,700 page Ben said it today 1698 01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:28,440 um that's one of the My Favorite Things 1699 01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:32,220 is people are we're gonna get this done 1700 01:06:38,029 --> 01:06:33,660 yeah 1701 01:06:40,609 --> 01:06:38,039 mean that conference was great and uh 1702 01:06:42,770 --> 01:06:40,619 you know kudos to James and Jay for 1703 01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:42,780 putting that together and uh you know 1704 01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:45,000 the time and energy that it took to to 1705 01:06:48,349 --> 01:06:46,799 get that put together and it's not easy 1706 01:06:51,049 --> 01:06:48,359 to do those things 1707 01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:51,059 um and uh the energy was great the 1708 01:06:56,510 --> 01:06:53,220 quality of the conversation was great 1709 01:06:59,089 --> 01:06:56,520 and uh I would expect uh that Trend to 1710 01:07:00,770 --> 01:06:59,099 continue and into 2023 1711 01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:00,780 and and you're right in pointing out 1712 01:07:07,250 --> 01:07:03,960 that the the community is changing in 1713 01:07:09,849 --> 01:07:07,260 some I think notable and important ways 1714 01:07:13,730 --> 01:07:09,859 in some ways 1715 01:07:16,970 --> 01:07:13,740 the kind of delay the lack of the latest 1716 01:07:19,130 --> 01:07:16,980 tidbit from the uaptf or whatever has 1717 01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:19,140 been beneficial because I think it's 1718 01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:21,900 allowed us to focus on the things that 1719 01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,220 really matter 1720 01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:26,160 um I think a lot of the 1721 01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:27,240 um 1722 01:07:34,010 --> 01:07:31,200 distraction honestly is on the fixation 1723 01:07:35,809 --> 01:07:34,020 on like the technology and you know 1724 01:07:37,730 --> 01:07:35,819 whatever it is that's in the sky I mean 1725 01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:37,740 I want to know what it is obviously but 1726 01:07:41,150 --> 01:07:39,240 a lot of it's kind of like a cat with a 1727 01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:41,160 laser pointer it's just like you know 1728 01:07:46,970 --> 01:07:43,920 like it's not really a concerted effort 1729 01:07:50,029 --> 01:07:46,980 and I think figuring out the deeper 1730 01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:50,039 issues here and these conferences really 1731 01:07:53,809 --> 01:07:52,260 do explore those Contours and that's 1732 01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:53,819 what I'm interested in because at the 1733 01:07:58,849 --> 01:07:56,760 end of the day you know to me this is a 1734 01:08:01,010 --> 01:07:58,859 question about what what is Ultimate 1735 01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:01,020 Reality what is what what is our place 1736 01:08:08,329 --> 01:08:04,440 in reality you know why are we here 1737 01:08:09,770 --> 01:08:08,339 um and you know a UFO craft isn't 1738 01:08:11,690 --> 01:08:09,780 answering that that question no matter 1739 01:08:14,089 --> 01:08:11,700 how fancy it is you know but but it does 1740 01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:14,099 point in the direction that I think 1741 01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,440 allows us to ask those questions and I 1742 01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,480 think connect with each other and with 1743 01:08:23,930 --> 01:08:20,640 ourselves in a way that is a lot more 1744 01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:23,940 meaningful at least in a way that maybe 1745 01:08:27,169 --> 01:08:25,620 we haven't done it in quite some time 1746 01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:27,179 and the world needs a lot of meaning 1747 01:08:31,309 --> 01:08:29,400 right now we need to have those 1748 01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,319 conversations that allow us to really 1749 01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:33,359 connect with each other and not just 1750 01:08:36,050 --> 01:08:34,140 like 1751 01:08:39,410 --> 01:08:36,060 you know snipe at each other from from 1752 01:08:42,590 --> 01:08:39,420 social media that's not very helpful 1753 01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:42,600 I I can't say what 1754 01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:45,120 either of you say any better than you 1755 01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:47,100 said it about the event and what it 1756 01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:49,380 meant and the positivity and the 1757 01:08:53,150 --> 01:08:51,540 togetherness so 1758 01:08:58,189 --> 01:08:53,160 um I just want to say that I agree 100 1759 01:09:00,829 --> 01:08:58,199 with you uh both Devin and money 1760 01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:00,839 um what struck me was 1761 01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:05,699 uh the contrast between how well we're 1762 01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:08,640 doing even if there's a lot of folks 1763 01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:10,739 that feel like we're not doing well as a 1764 01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:13,620 community in terms of representation and 1765 01:09:20,349 --> 01:09:17,819 progress and now uh due to Nathan's 1766 01:09:24,349 --> 01:09:20,359 fault uh with the Bigfoot Community 1767 01:09:26,510 --> 01:09:24,359 they are so far behind us that I 1768 01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:26,520 contacted our good friend whom we hope 1769 01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:29,040 to have on with David Smithers who's in 1770 01:09:33,709 --> 01:09:30,600 the chat 1771 01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:33,719 um uh very soon we got to rebook he and 1772 01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:35,880 Dan Warren because they're basically 1773 01:09:41,329 --> 01:09:37,679 giving up their spot for the cab holiday 1774 01:09:43,070 --> 01:09:41,339 party this Sunday uh graciously we 1775 01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:43,080 appreciate that because if had they 1776 01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:44,400 boxed we probably would have just done 1777 01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:46,259 their episode 1778 01:09:54,169 --> 01:09:49,440 um so Dan is going to connect me with uh 1779 01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:54,179 Congressman Burchette who I guess uh 1780 01:09:58,430 --> 01:09:56,699 either believes in the existence of 1781 01:10:00,770 --> 01:09:58,440 Bigfoot or had a sighting or know 1782 01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:00,780 somebody who had a citing something and 1783 01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:04,500 I'm going to try to see if they can get 1784 01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,300 some traction on there but they're 1785 01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:08,400 nowhere near where we're at you know 1786 01:10:12,350 --> 01:10:10,679 when we have New York Times folks we 1787 01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:12,360 have an under secretary of defense for 1788 01:10:16,729 --> 01:10:15,420 intelligence speaking on stage uh two 1789 01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:16,739 reporters from The New York Times 1790 01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:20,340 actually uh authors academians Jeff 1791 01:10:26,270 --> 01:10:23,580 [\h__\h] I mean as Vinnie said to me this 1792 01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:26,280 week they have like Dr Jeff Meldrum and 1793 01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,860 like that's about it 1794 01:10:32,930 --> 01:10:30,560 so 1795 01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,940 you know what do you guys you know Deb 1796 01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:34,320 what do you think about that contrast 1797 01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:37,679 and then money well you know that I 1798 01:10:41,630 --> 01:10:38,760 would be 1799 01:10:43,070 --> 01:10:41,640 um really interested in uh getting in 1800 01:10:45,530 --> 01:10:43,080 there and figuring out what's going on 1801 01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:45,540 with that you know if I had the time I 1802 01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:47,640 would but I would be that person going 1803 01:10:52,189 --> 01:10:49,980 you know we have someone organizing all 1804 01:10:54,530 --> 01:10:52,199 of our files right now in a National 1805 01:10:56,810 --> 01:10:54,540 Archive maybe you guys should do 1806 01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:56,820 something like that right and then you 1807 01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,280 know maybe highlighting the 1808 01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,679 bend that we're going towards with 1809 01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:03,120 science and things like that and they 1810 01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:06,560 could start pulling in anthropologists 1811 01:11:10,130 --> 01:11:08,460 cryptologists you know people have 1812 01:11:11,630 --> 01:11:10,140 really been studying the scientific 1813 01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:11,640 aspect 1814 01:11:14,689 --> 01:11:13,080 um and kind of pushing those people 1815 01:11:16,729 --> 01:11:14,699 forward 1816 01:11:19,370 --> 01:11:16,739 um I feel like it's it's really tough 1817 01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:19,380 because two things are going on on the 1818 01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:22,380 one hand we're recognizing the value of 1819 01:11:28,490 --> 01:11:26,100 experiencers more and more right but 1820 01:11:30,890 --> 01:11:28,500 that's testimonial and then on the other 1821 01:11:32,930 --> 01:11:30,900 hand we're recognizing the value of 1822 01:11:36,290 --> 01:11:32,940 studies and research and the 1823 01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:36,300 intellectual Bend to all of it so that 1824 01:11:40,430 --> 01:11:38,159 seems to be the formula we're working 1825 01:11:42,530 --> 01:11:40,440 with right now maybe that's the formula 1826 01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:42,540 they need too 1827 01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:45,480 well how do you see the contrast between 1828 01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:49,199 these two communities Nathan yeah that's 1829 01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:51,900 a good question I mean and two I would 1830 01:11:56,209 --> 01:11:53,400 like to point out that the UFO Community 1831 01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,219 is um you know it does it also exists 1832 01:12:00,110 --> 01:11:58,560 across a lot of different spaces but in 1833 01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,120 the contrast to the Bigfoot Community 1834 01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:02,159 there doesn't seem to be a strong 1835 01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:04,260 Twitter Bigfoot presence you know like 1836 01:12:09,229 --> 01:12:05,520 you've pointed out to me it's it's 1837 01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,239 primarily on Facebook uh the UFO 1838 01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:12,480 Community congregates on Facebook and on 1839 01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:15,000 Twitter there is some overlap but not 1840 01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:17,580 necessarily a lot 1841 01:12:23,209 --> 01:12:20,880 um I think that one of the good things 1842 01:12:24,890 --> 01:12:23,219 and bad things about Twitter is that 1843 01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:24,900 it's like a pressure cooker kind of 1844 01:12:32,169 --> 01:12:28,199 environment for communities right so uh 1845 01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:32,179 if if if you can go through that trial 1846 01:12:38,270 --> 01:12:34,679 that that intense pressure that is 1847 01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:38,280 brought on by the social media uh a kind 1848 01:12:43,729 --> 01:12:41,460 of quick short terse engagement you can 1849 01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:43,739 get through that and come out on the 1850 01:12:47,689 --> 01:12:45,480 other end you're probably a stronger 1851 01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:47,699 Community for it 1852 01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,520 um you know so I think that's sort of at 1853 01:12:55,250 --> 01:12:52,320 least what I'm seeing on the UFO Twitter 1854 01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:55,260 side there is this kind of emergence of 1855 01:12:59,050 --> 01:12:57,840 stronger Community coming out from quite 1856 01:13:02,270 --> 01:12:59,060 a number of 1857 01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:02,280 uh you know silly little squabbles in my 1858 01:13:05,570 --> 01:13:03,600 opinion 1859 01:13:08,689 --> 01:13:05,580 um it's maturing in other words right 1860 01:13:10,850 --> 01:13:08,699 and um and I think the speed that 1861 01:13:12,590 --> 01:13:10,860 Twitter operates as well like allows us 1862 01:13:14,810 --> 01:13:12,600 to be a little bit more agile a little 1863 01:13:17,689 --> 01:13:14,820 more Nimble and how we react to 1864 01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:17,699 information and share information 1865 01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:20,880 um so you know that could be a value to 1866 01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:22,560 the Bigfoot Community but at the same 1867 01:13:25,729 --> 01:13:24,060 time you know it's kind of a cautionary 1868 01:13:27,290 --> 01:13:25,739 tale as well right so if the big 1869 01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,300 Community decides to come into Twitter 1870 01:13:31,729 --> 01:13:29,760 more actively like I think they will 1871 01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:31,739 you know see a lot of the same stuff 1872 01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,140 that we have seen uh the kind of 1873 01:13:38,689 --> 01:13:36,960 personal attacks and uh bad faith 1874 01:13:40,130 --> 01:13:38,699 arguments and conversation you know 1875 01:13:41,390 --> 01:13:40,140 they're gonna have to Wade through that 1876 01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:41,400 you know 1877 01:13:46,130 --> 01:13:44,280 great bad faith arguments I mean it is 1878 01:13:47,570 --> 01:13:46,140 right I haven't heard it put that way no 1879 01:13:50,270 --> 01:13:47,580 it's true I mean there's so much of that 1880 01:13:53,450 --> 01:13:50,280 happening where we're just not being uh 1881 01:13:54,649 --> 01:13:53,460 generous with one another where you can 1882 01:13:57,770 --> 01:13:54,659 tell people are entering into 1883 01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:57,780 conversation with each other not at all 1884 01:14:01,790 --> 01:13:59,580 for the purpose of trying to reach 1885 01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,800 understanding but to basically score 1886 01:14:06,830 --> 01:14:03,840 points you know so so you're entering 1887 01:14:09,770 --> 01:14:06,840 into the conversation with a desire to 1888 01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:09,780 win not with a desire to reach any kind 1889 01:14:15,950 --> 01:14:13,260 of consensus or understanding you know 1890 01:14:19,010 --> 01:14:15,960 to further the the discussion so that to 1891 01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:19,020 me is is bad faith yeah so I mean 1892 01:14:21,709 --> 01:14:20,580 there's a definite contrast I'm hopeful 1893 01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,719 for that Community though I mean they're 1894 01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:23,520 like you know there's a lot of potential 1895 01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:25,560 here uh for 1896 01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,440 new areas new avenues of Discovery new 1897 01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,719 Partnerships that's the beauty of online 1898 01:14:35,570 --> 01:14:32,880 interaction and I've experienced that in 1899 01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,580 other areas of my own life is that you 1900 01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,199 can if you're intent if you're 1901 01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,840 thoughtful and intentional you can 1902 01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:42,480 really build communities that are quite 1903 01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:44,699 powerful and have a lot of staying power 1904 01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:47,580 so I hope that that happens for these 1905 01:14:51,410 --> 01:14:49,679 communities is you know they really do 1906 01:14:53,149 --> 01:14:51,420 bring people together and there are some 1907 01:14:54,590 --> 01:14:53,159 good questions that are worth 1908 01:14:56,649 --> 01:14:54,600 pursuing 1909 01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:56,659 I think 1910 01:15:03,110 --> 01:14:59,760 yeah go ahead I just wanted to say one 1911 01:15:05,390 --> 01:15:03,120 thing to also consider is instead of 1912 01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:05,400 considering them the Bigfoot Community 1913 01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:08,760 or talking about the UFO Community maybe 1914 01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:11,760 we should move forward to where all one 1915 01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:14,520 community and we can help each other 1916 01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,980 of course no question I mean that would 1917 01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,719 be my goal is and that's what we're 1918 01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:20,640 doing with this show you know we're 1919 01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:22,679 trying to bring in we're you know Matt 1920 01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:25,440 Knapp is going to come in and and uh 1921 01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:27,000 we're going to engage with him and try 1922 01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:29,520 to bring some Bigfoot people in here so 1923 01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:32,000 it's kind of you know become sort of a 1924 01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:36,890 um 1925 01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,780 they are found a way to attack each 1926 01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:41,520 other on Facebook 1927 01:15:45,169 --> 01:15:43,620 um and on their whatever forums that 1928 01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,179 they use I have not been on any of their 1929 01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:47,760 forums or if they're on Discord I don't 1930 01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:49,800 know any of that but on Facebook they 1931 01:15:53,149 --> 01:15:51,840 have found a way to do that and I agree 1932 01:15:57,050 --> 01:15:53,159 with them if they're they're not as 1933 01:15:59,870 --> 01:15:57,060 agile as we are but they are having as 1934 01:16:03,350 --> 01:15:59,880 many conferences and big conferences as 1935 01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:03,360 we are so when I look at the one stark 1936 01:16:07,729 --> 01:16:06,480 contrast between the UFO community and I 1937 01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:07,739 understand what you mean Deb we should 1938 01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,179 be talking about it as one Community I 1939 01:16:13,550 --> 01:16:11,760 agree with you but when I look at the 1940 01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,560 stark contrast between the Bigfoot 1941 01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:15,840 community and the UFO Community it's 1942 01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:18,719 that they have no representation there 1943 01:16:23,870 --> 01:16:21,600 is no New York Times article there is no 1944 01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:23,880 Lou Elizondo there is no Christopher 1945 01:16:28,430 --> 01:16:26,219 Mellon there is no David fravor there is 1946 01:16:30,890 --> 01:16:28,440 no Chad Underwood there is an Orion 1947 01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,900 Graves Etc and we could just keep going 1948 01:16:35,390 --> 01:16:33,120 with and and they don't have that and I 1949 01:16:37,850 --> 01:16:35,400 mean Vinnie said it uh Vinnie and I had 1950 01:16:39,229 --> 01:16:37,860 like a you know 4 45 and I don't know 1951 01:16:40,370 --> 01:16:39,239 what time it was in the morning I was 1952 01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:40,380 driving to work it was like five 1953 01:16:44,030 --> 01:16:42,300 something in the morning and he said 1954 01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,040 yeah he said they have like Dr Jeff 1955 01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:46,320 Meldrum and just a couple of people and 1956 01:16:50,930 --> 01:16:48,420 it's just not enough you know we have a 1957 01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:50,940 Gary Nolan in Avi Loeb because of those 1958 01:16:59,330 --> 01:16:57,709 so I we could just leave it there and 1959 01:17:01,130 --> 01:16:59,340 say hello to everybody in the chat but 1960 01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,140 that that's my opinion they really need 1961 01:17:06,410 --> 01:17:03,120 representation they really need some big 1962 01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,420 hitters uh they are also we're dealing 1963 01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,640 with the Department of Defense and the 1964 01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:10,320 Department of Defense cares nothing 1965 01:17:14,570 --> 01:17:12,300 about Bigfoot except if they interfere 1966 01:17:15,890 --> 01:17:14,580 with like Fort Lewis and McCord which 1967 01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:15,900 has happened there's been some 1968 01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,300 supposedly some uh interactions out in 1969 01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:19,920 the forest there but it's the department 1970 01:17:25,250 --> 01:17:23,040 of the interior and and I know nothing 1971 01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:25,260 about the department of the Interior so 1972 01:17:30,410 --> 01:17:27,540 and what their their stance is and then 1973 01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:30,420 what happens is that your your State uh 1974 01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:32,580 Parks fall on not that they fall 1975 01:17:36,430 --> 01:17:34,260 underneath there but I think they fall 1976 01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,440 in line with what the department of 1977 01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:38,880 Interiors take is on that when it comes 1978 01:17:44,930 --> 01:17:42,480 to State and County and so forth uh 1979 01:17:46,610 --> 01:17:44,940 parks and uh and I think they just 1980 01:17:49,310 --> 01:17:46,620 they're they're Rangers and so forth 1981 01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:49,320 follow along let's say hello to people 1982 01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:51,719 in the chat Linda's here 1983 01:17:59,810 --> 01:17:57,830 what's up Linda you guys can say 1984 01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:59,820 something now no oh yeah I was looking 1985 01:18:03,169 --> 01:18:01,320 for her message so I could put it up 1986 01:18:05,689 --> 01:18:03,179 yeah good to see you good to have you 1987 01:18:08,030 --> 01:18:05,699 with us Linda uh we got a bunch of folks 1988 01:18:10,189 --> 01:18:08,040 so uh uh Channel War Horse good to see 1989 01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:10,199 you yeah 1990 01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:13,320 um Smith Michael Ashworth yeah hi 1991 01:18:18,649 --> 01:18:14,640 Michael 1992 01:18:20,209 --> 01:18:18,659 uh smethurst yes uh I love the things 1993 01:18:23,689 --> 01:18:20,219 David's saying about what we're talking 1994 01:18:25,490 --> 01:18:23,699 about yeah David David's amazing 1995 01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:25,500 um who did I miss here in a second so 1996 01:18:32,510 --> 01:18:29,120 Kurt M good to have you with us as well 1997 01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:32,520 I love that how do we say that 1998 01:18:36,770 --> 01:18:34,920 Kurt Kurt was the first one in Nathan 1999 01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:36,780 Kurt was here before we were here I'm 2000 01:18:42,290 --> 01:18:38,699 slow on the draw here so my apologies 2001 01:18:43,729 --> 01:18:42,300 Kurt yeah good to have you with us 2002 01:18:45,229 --> 01:18:43,739 yeah 2003 01:18:47,149 --> 01:18:45,239 I want to know how to say that name 2004 01:18:48,530 --> 01:18:47,159 she's saying hi to Linda I wish she 2005 01:18:50,270 --> 01:18:48,540 could say it I wish she'd come up on 2006 01:18:52,910 --> 01:18:50,280 audio but 2007 01:18:54,830 --> 01:18:52,920 but uh uh just a quick point out to uh 2008 01:18:56,689 --> 01:18:54,840 to folks who are watching we do have a 2009 01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,699 holiday show coming up on Sunday DJ 2010 01:19:02,270 --> 01:18:58,800 mentioned it we're very excited about it 2011 01:19:05,209 --> 01:19:02,280 it's two Eastern Sunday the cab holiday 2012 01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:05,219 party second annual cab holiday party 2013 01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:08,699 we're gonna have over 20 guests uh 2014 01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:10,560 appearing on the show over the course of 2015 01:19:14,510 --> 01:19:12,420 I think roughly probably two hours hour 2016 01:19:16,189 --> 01:19:14,520 and a half two hours uh should be a lot 2017 01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:16,199 of fun it's just gonna be hanging out 2018 01:19:20,270 --> 01:19:18,300 with folks that you're familiar with 2019 01:19:22,490 --> 01:19:20,280 people that you've interacted with on 2020 01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:22,500 social media and through other excellent 2021 01:19:26,990 --> 01:19:24,960 podcasts and channels uh these are 2022 01:19:29,330 --> 01:19:27,000 friends of our show they're friends of 2023 01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:29,340 ours in real life and in most instances 2024 01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:32,699 too uh a lot of great people so I know 2025 01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:34,620 we're gonna have some fun and also 2026 01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,440 interesting conversation uh on on Sunday 2027 01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,600 so we hope that you guys join us and uh 2028 01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,480 for some holiday cheer it it's it'll 2029 01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,880 start out organized and then as we tweet 2030 01:19:48,890 --> 01:19:47,520 the link out to very or or DM the link 2031 01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,900 it'll turn into something of a 2032 01:19:53,149 --> 01:19:51,360 free-for-all total chaos yeah and 2033 01:19:55,310 --> 01:19:53,159 probably a bunch of our friends we need 2034 01:19:57,410 --> 01:19:55,320 to get it out to uh just think of this 2035 01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:57,420 Deb Nathan a bunch of our friends we met 2036 01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,440 uh at the um at the Symposium of the 2037 01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:03,360 anomalous we got to get it out to a 2038 01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:05,040 bunch of those people that I I probably 2039 01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:08,640 haven't even so let's do that and and we 2040 01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:10,080 get to the free-for-all portion okay 2041 01:20:14,030 --> 01:20:12,239 yeah sounds good oh we might even play a 2042 01:20:15,649 --> 01:20:14,040 little UFO trivia which I guess we need 2043 01:20:17,930 --> 01:20:15,659 to start working on if we're going to do 2044 01:20:20,090 --> 01:20:17,940 that uh but very excited about it should 2045 01:20:24,649 --> 01:20:20,100 be a good time thank you love you guys 2046 01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:24,659 very much and um for uh Debs for Nathan 2047 01:20:29,090 --> 01:20:27,480 this is DJ and cab saying peace out 2048 01:20:31,070 --> 01:20:29,100 One Love 2049 01:20:32,630 --> 01:20:31,080 we'll see you down the road and as 2050 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:32,640 always we're wondering what's up around